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Birth records in New York, #usa


Marcia Segal
 

Background:
One set of great-grandparents (Samuel and Clara Siegel) came from Romania with two young daughters, arriving in New York around May-June 1888. I'm assuming May-June because I have a copy of the manifest that puts them in Liverpool on May 7. Nothing for their arrival in the US. The delayed birth filing record for a sibling who was born later indicated that a child was born in New York. Nothing more specific than that, and the name Razel. There is no record for the child in the 1895 New Jersey census. The family was established in New Jersey by 1892.


Problem: I know the surname can be spelled any number of ways but there are so many variables on how to approach this that I'm not sure where to start. Nobody is around from that generation who remembers any of this. I didn't even know the child existed until a few years ago. I suspect this is going to be hands on research through paper or microfilm. Suggestions for approaches are very much welcome. This is one of those "enduring mysteries" I want to solve, because I will be the last person in my family to do the work--you know how this goes.

Sincerely,
Em


Barbara Mannlein <bsmannlein@...>
 

Give us more to work with:
     approx DOBs,    
     children's names,   
     mother's Hebrew name, if known.  
     occupation

Barbara Mannlein
Tucson, AZ


Sherri Bobish
 



Em,

I assume from what you wrote that this child passed on before 1895, possibly in NYC?

I searched at: https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/2240477

I used these search parameters:
surname SIEGEL (left surname box unchecked to get more hits on variant spellings.)
born 1888 to 1892
died NYC
died 1888 to 1892
name of father: Samuel

There are two for Rachel SIEGELS.
You said her name may be Raizel, so Rachel is a guess at her English name, of course, they could have used any English first name.

There is also Salme Segall, but it does note that both parents were born in Romania.  These are transcriptions, so you would have to look at the cert itself to determine what is actually written.  These certs are very hard to read, and transcription errors are inevitable.

Name: Rachel Siegel
Event Type: Death
Event Date: 11 Dec 1888
Event Place: Manhattan, New York County, New York, United States
Event Place (Original): Manhattan, New York, New York, United States
Gender: Female
Age: 0
Marital Status: Unknown
Birth Year (Estimated): 1888
Certificate Number: cn 38071


Name: Rachel Siegel
Event Type: Death
Event Date: 14 Jun 1889
Event Place: Manhattan, New York County, New York, United States
Event Place (Original): Manhattan, New York, New York, United States
Gender: Female
Age: 0
Marital Status: Single
Race: White
Occupation: none
Birth Year (Estimated): 1889
Birthplace: U.S.
Burial Date: 14 Jun 1889
Cemetery: Bayside Cemetery
Father's Name: S. Siegel
Mother's Name: Siegel
Note: Infants Hospital, Randall's Island, 12th Ward; 142 Norfolk; Mother's first name not given; resident in this city: life
Certificate Number: cn 18999


Name: Salme Segall
Event Type: Death
Event Date: 7 Oct 1892
Event Place: Brooklyn, Kings, New York, United States
Event Place (Original): Brooklyn, Kings, New York, United States
Gender: Female
Age: 0
Marital Status: Single
Race: White
Birth Year (Estimated): 1892
Birthplace: Brooklyn
Burial Date: 9 Oct 1892
Cemetery: Washington
Father's Birthplace: Rumonia
Mother's Birthplace: Rumonia
Certificate Number: CN 16693


Hope this info is helpful,

Sherri Bobish
Princeton, NJ


Marcia Segal
 

Thank you for your help and your time! I didn't add further details before because I didn't want to presume. Here they are:

Simcha (Samuel) Siegel, b. ca. 1850--not sure of his occupation before he left Romania
Chaia (Clara) Siegal, b. ca. 1850; maiden name MERGLER

Their daughters that came with them were Chana (Annie), b. ca. 1883, and Rivke (Ray) b. ca. 1886. They came from Harlau, Romania, and settled in Carmel, New Jersey. The spelling of Siegel was given as "Segal" on the passenger manifest; as with the spelling of names and the names themselves variations are the rule.

Samuel Siegel appears in the 1892 city directory that includes Carmel. The family appears in the 1895 census for New Jersey. My guess is that Chaia was pregnant before they left Romania, and gave birth somewhere in the five boroughs before the family went to New Jersey.

Thank you again!

Best wishes,
Em


Sherri Bobish
 


Em,

I see this family on the 1900 census in Deerfield, Cumberland County, NJ. 

According to the census, Samuel's wife (spelled Clarrah) has given birth to 9 children and 5 are living.

If this is accurate, she lost 4 children.

Daughters Anna & Rachel (born Romania) are living with them.

Children Fannie & Harry (born NJ) are living with them.

Daughter Sarah (spelled Sarrah) born Pennsylvania, is living with them.

Two cousins, both born Romania, are also living with them.

Samuel states he is naturalized.  Occupation: tailor.

Good luck in your search,

Sherri Bobish
Princeton, NJ


Stephen Weinstein
 

Go to https://stevemorse.org/ and try the four links that say "Searching the New York City Birth Index".