Brick wall - Great-Grandmother from Kamenetz, Podolsk, Russia #poland #russia


Tgrigoriades@...
 

Happy last night of Chanukah to all!  I have a brick wall that I am hoping someone may be able to help with. If I am phrasing things wrong and more information is needed, please let me know!

I am trying to figure out my great-grandmother's maiden name and more information about her parents.

Basya / Bessie (daughter of Tzvi Hersch, re: gravestone) was born in either 1897(per naturalization documents) or 1893 (per 1915 NJ census) in Kamenetz, Podolsk, Russia.  Per her naturalization documents, she entered the United States via New York in September 15th, 1912 under the name Ida Gold.  She was married (I believe) to a man named Isidore (Isaac Gold).  They had a child name Matilda (Tillie) in 1914. As of the 1915 NJ census, she was still married to Isidore Gold.  Per her naturalization documents, she married my great-grandfather, Harry (Hersch) Blinder in 1921.

I looked through JewishGen records for Kamenets, and was able to find someone who may have been her father, but found no additional leads.  I have been unable to locate her on any passenger lists, nor can I find out what happened to her first husband, Isidore Gold.  Throughout Ancestry, many people have her maiden name and parents listed as having the last name Novich. However, drilling deeper shows how this would not be possible.

Here is a link to Bessie in my ancestry tree, which has all of the documents that I have found attached.  https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/tree/105637895/person/410047277789

I have been spinning my wheels on this for a LONG time and would love any insight from this brilliant community.

Thank you!!!
Tracy Grigoriades


pathetiq1@...
 

Hi Tracy, 

The best way to find Ida/Bessie's parents' names is to obtain her marriage and/or death certificate. According to her daughter's social security her maiden name (as you probably already know) was Rewirtz. 

Name: Tillie Matilda Blinder[Tillie Matilda Katz][Matilda Katz]
Gender: Female
Race: White
Birth Date: 21 Sep 1914
Birth Place: Newark, New Jersey[New Jersey][Newark Essex]
Death Date: 20 Feb 1993
Father: Harry Blinder
Mother: Bessie Rewirtz
SSN: 137076670
Notes: Dec 1936: Name listed as TILLIE MATILDA BLINDER; Apr 1945: Name listed as TILLIE MATILDA KATZ; 26 Feb 1993: Name listed as MATILDA KATZ
--
Giannis Daropoulos 

Greece


Barbara S. Weitz
 

Tracy--my grandfather was from kamenets-Podolsky.  I have  transliterated and translated (by my Russian friends) many Metric Books entries for my family I found that go back to the 1850's.  I can try to send them to you in old Russian and ukrainian so you'd have to find people to translate the names.  My friends scanned all the books looking for all the names I knew and I have quite a list.  Let me know what you need.

Prof. Barbara Weitz

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Tgrigoriades@...
 

Hi Giannis -

Thank you so much for looking this up!  It is so strange, as my great-grandmother was associated with so many last names....

1.  Entered the US as Ida Gold, per her naturalization document

2.  Bessie Weissman on the marriage license

3.  Bessie Rewirtz on Tillie's social security info.

4.  Bessie Blinder (which is how I knew her).

I am not sure how to determine which is correct!   I will definitely request supporting documents.  Unfortunately, I see it is an 8 month wait currently!!!

Thank you again for your help!
Best,
Tracy Grigoriades


dbpdallas@...
 

Hello,

I am unable to provide information regarding the specific line of inquiry, however, I would like to provide additional information which may be of interest. I am currently reading, Journey to a Nineteenth-century Shtetl: The Memoirs of Yekhezkel Kotik. Kotik was born about 1848 and grew up in Kamenets, the son and grandson of an influential family. His memoirs about growing up in Kamenets provide insight into what life was like at that time and place. It would be an interesting read for anyone with roots to Kamenets. Here is more about the book:

https://books.google.com/books/about/Journey_to_a_Nineteenth_century_Shtetl.html?id=knrfpytrp6YC&source=kp_book_description

Kind regards,
David Passman
Dallas, Texas


The Becker's Email
 

Your  tree has the marriage record of Harry Blinder to Bessie Weissman.

Ancestry has a NJ marriage index record for an Issie Gold to Bessie Weissman in 1913.  I suggest you order the marriage record.  If this is correct, then it is possible Bessie's naturalization record that Bessie arrived as Ida Gold is incorrect, although...It appears she and Issie may have been from the same place as his WWI draft registration gives his place of birth as Kanunity (?), Podolski,  Russia. So maybe they married in Russia and then had a US marriage.... 
The original marriage record may list her parents' names.

Also suggest you obtain Bessie's original marriage record to Harry Blinder to see if it confirms that her maiden name was Weissman and any other pertinent info such as was she listed as a widow or divorced. If her marital status (e.g. widow/divorced) is given, then you can use that to find Issie/Isadore Gold.

Would also suggest you obtain the original birth record for Matilda, again to see if it gives Bessie's maiden name.

Once you have confirmed Bessie's name before her first marriage, look for her on ship's manifests under that surname.  I would suggest you don't input a first name but look for where young females w/ that surname and likely first names were from and where they were going as that may help you find Bessie.

Johanna Becker
Newport, RI


rv Kaplan
 

David

This book seems to be about  Kamieniec Litewski in Poland, rather than Kamenets-Podolsk in Ukraine?

Harvey Kaplan
Glasgow, Scotland

Felman, Rosenbloom, Miler - Kamenets-Podolsk, Shatava, Balin



dbpdallas via groups.jewishgen.org <dbpdallas=yahoo.com@...>

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Hello,

I am unable to provide information regarding the specific line of inquiry, however, I would like to provide additional information which may be of interest. I am currently reading, Journey to a Nineteenth-century Shtetl: The Memoirs of Yekhezkel Kotik. Kotik was born about 1848 and grew up in Kamenets, the son and grandson of an influential family. His memoirs about growing up in Kamenets provide insight into what life was like at that time and place. It would be an interesting read for anyone with roots to Kamenets. Here is more about the book:

https://books.google.com/books/about/Journey_to_a_Nineteenth_century_Shtetl.html?id=knrfpytrp6YC&source=kp_book_description

Kind regards,
David Passman
Dallas, Texas