I have attached Hennie Knisbacher's ship manifest  from 1913 with the annotations that you will find there (she's on line 1). From the information (from Jewishgen below-Manifest Markings Home (jewishgen.org)-) we now know that her application for naturalization was number 821835 in Southern New York and that no C/A certificate of arrival was issued. From 1913 to 1941 her appearance probably changed a lot, she might have had a married name, and might have forgotten some of the details that she listed in 1913. But at least we know she was still in the U.S. in 1941. Does anyone know if the application can be located from the number and, if so,  how?  Thanks in advance. She is a major missing link in our family tree.  Jeff Knisbacher

 

 

If you go to the JewishGen Discussion Group Archives and search for 505  (The number is in column 8 of Hennie Knisbacher's passenger list) you will see your question has come up before. In  May16,  2021, David Oseas  provided this answer:

"unfortunately, there isn't an index that cross references the number in the naturalization verification marking (the Certificate of Arrival request) and petition number"

David Rosen
Boston, MA

The "no C/A" notation does not indicate that the person was unable to naturalize -- about 50% of the folks that I've researched that had this notation did successfully go on to obtain citizenship -- it simply means that the verification clerk was unable to verify that the passenger manifest entry they located was indeed the same person.  This could be for a variety of reasons: name changes, wrong date, wrong ship name, wrong port, etc..  The clerk submitted their findings to the requesting INS office on a Form 505.

Since the CofA verification was done on Jan. 17, 1941, I'd look for a petition filed for her the second half of 1940 or the very beginning of 1941 -- I typically see petitions filed from 2 weeks to 4 months before the verification.  Hint: Ancestry's naturalization indexes tend to be more complete than those on FamilySearch, but FamilySearch has more of the actual petition images.

Regards,
David Oseas

Researching:
HYMAN/HEYMAN/HEIMOWITS/CHAJMOVITS: Zemplen-Dobra, Hungary > New York;  KLEIN: Satoraljaujhely (Ujhely), Hungary > New York > Los Angeles
KRONOWITH: Hungary > New York;  OSEAS/OSIAS/OSIASI/OZIAS: Iasi, Romania > Chicago > Milwaukee > Los Angeles
SCHECHTER/SHEKTER: Kishinev, Bessarabia > New York;  SHERMAN: Iasi, Romania > New York > Los Angeles
STRUL:  Iasi, Romania > Haifa, Israel;  WICHMAN: Syczkowo (Bobruisk), Belarus > Milwaukee > Los Angeles

What does "C/A" mean?
--Josef Hannum

Do you know the name if her husband and where did she live in NY? That will help

Shosh Eizenshtein, Toronto 

Certificate of Arrival 

Shosh Eizenshtein,  Toronto