Census Records? 1887 #russia


Geoffrey Isaac Collins
 

Does anyone know if there are records of a CENSUS in Zabludow, or
Bialystok in the 1880s? or approximately.

RE: https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/responselist.asp?key=92725#.YFetLCXyKzM.mailto
Further to this- a response from Bialystok.
(Zabludow was in 1888 situated in the Russian Empire, specifically in
the Grodno Governate region. I had communicated with Grodno about this
document. They replied that now all Zabludow records are now in
Poland, specifically in Bialystok. Bialystok is telling me that they
do not hold
"synagogue" viz Birth Certificate records.)

Pismo z dnia: 2021.03.24

Szanowny Panie!

Pan
Nasz znak: EIU.6342.229.2021

Data: 2021.05.13

Archiwum Państwowe w Białymstoku uprzejmie informuje, że w tutejszym
zasobie nie posiadamy ksiąg metrykalnych Okręgu Bożniczego w
Zabłudowie.



: 2021.03.24

Sir!

Our reference number: EIU.6342.229.2021

Date: 2021.05.13

The State Archives in Białystok kindly informs that the local
collection does not have the record books of the Synagogue District in
Zabłudów. Therefore, we cannot issue a copy of the birth certificate
of Chaim, son of Owsiej-Lejzor (surname illegible), born on January 9,
1887 in Zabłudów. We also do not know where the said documentation is
stored.

Director
State Archives in Białystok
Dr. Marek Kietliński

From GEOFFREY ISAAC COLLINS
HAIFA


peggyfreedman@...
 

Hi Geoffrey,

It is my understanding that the first CENSUS in the Russian Empire was in 1897.  Before that, there were Revision Lists.  Revision Lists have different rules, standards, and dates than an American Census. 

There are a variety of good articles on JewishGen about the different kinds of documents kept in the Russian Empire.  I found this one in the JewishGen InfoFiles:
_R_What are Russian Revision Lists, 24 Mar 2012.pdf (jewishgen.org)
You can also find discussions by searching this discussion group.

If you are looking for all records about a particular place, you have to keep looking for the town. Records are held in all kinds of unlikely places.

Peggy Freedman
Atlanta, GA USA


LarryBassist@...
 

On Miriam Weiner's Routes to Roots Foundation website, https://www.rtrfoundation.org/search.php  ,searching for Bialystok, we get under the second Census link:

Locality/Town:         BIALYSTOK
Powiat/County: BIALYSTOK
Wojewodztwo/Province: BIALYSTOK
Country:                 POLAND
Archive Name: NATIONAL HISTORICAL ARCHIVES OF BELARUS IN GRODNO
Archive Locale: GRODNO
Archive Type:         ARCHIVES
Document Type: CENSUS
Year List:                 1853;1858;1860-1865;1869;1874;1883-1896
Zespol/Sygnatura: 2/2/69;24/7/177,182,187,203,213,224

So it appears that the Archives in Grodno has "census" records of some type, maybe they are really revision lists.

I hope this helps.

Larry Bassist
Springville, Utah, USA


Mark Halpern
 

The original message in this thread was from Geoffrey Isaac Collins asking about census records for both Zabludow and Bialystok. Larry provided information from Miriam Weiner's Routes to Roots Foundation Archival inventory for census type records at the Belarus Archive in Grodno for Bialystok.

JRI-Poland has a project to extract the information is all Jewish record for towns now in Poland that were formerly in Grodno Gubernia. This includes Bialystok, Zabludow, and 26 other towns that are all near Bialystok. There are no vital records for these towns in the Grodno Archive. The Grodno Archive has revision lists, supplementary lists, tax lists, lists of Jewish soldiers, lists of Jewish farmers, and lists of non-permanent residents. 

For Bialystok, there are about 9,000 records covering years from 1822 through 1891. For Zabludow, there are about 550 records covering years from 1829 through 1874,

I am currently on the road. If you are interested in learning more, please contact me at mark@... and please be patient. I will reply after returning home and catching up.

Mark Halpern
JRI-Poland Bialystok Area Coordinator

 

On 2021-05-16 12:11 pm, LarryBassist@... wrote:

On Miriam Weiner's Routes to Roots Foundation website, https://www.rtrfoundation.org/search.php  ,searching for Bialystok, we get under the second Census link:

Locality/Town:         BIALYSTOK
Powiat/County: BIALYSTOK
Wojewodztwo/Province: BIALYSTOK
Country:                 POLAND
Archive Name: NATIONAL HISTORICAL ARCHIVES OF BELARUS IN GRODNO
Archive Locale: GRODNO
Archive Type:         ARCHIVES
Document Type: CENSUS
Year List:                 1853;1858;1860-1865;1869;1874;1883-1896
Zespol/Sygnatura: 2/2/69;24/7/177,182,187,203,213,224

So it appears that the Archives in Grodno has "census" records of some type, maybe they are really revision lists.

I hope this helps.

Larry Bassist
Springville, Utah, USA