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Confirming Spelling of Given Name Uri #galicia #names


Aaron Slotnik
 

Hello,

I am researching two men who I believe are brothers, but their father's names are spelled differently on their matzevot. I am appealing to the Hebrew and Yiddish expert genners to confirm this is the same name, perhaps with Max's father's name being the Yiddish spelling/version of the Hebrew name 'Uri' (אורי).  According to the JewishGen Given Names Database, the Yiddish version of 'Uri' can be transliterated as 'Ire' (?א'רא).

If you would like, you can review the matzevot in question here (https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/118596216/max-ornstein) and here (https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/101232374/benjamin-ornstein).

Regards,
Aaron Slotnik
Chicago, IL


binyaminkerman@...
 

I think אירא would be the English name Ira spelled out. It makes sense that it was commonly used as an equivalent for the Hebrew name אורי or even אוריאל.
Binyamin Kerman
Baltimore MD


yitschok@...
 

The correct spelling for the Hebrew name Uri is אורי, the pronunciation would be different by different cultures, the Chassidic pronunciation is Ee'ri, and in the Galician accent it would be pronounced Ee're. 

There is no Hebrew or Yiddish name אירא, so if he was Galician I would assume that obliviously the pronunciation was used instead of the correct spelling. 

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Yitschok Margareten


Aaron Slotnik
 

Hi Binyamin and Yitschok - Thank you for helpful replies.  The family was Galitzianer and Mendel/Max's oldest son's 1898 Jagielnica birth record is spelled 'Ire' presumably after Mendel's father.  Is there a standard/accepted spelling of the Yiddish name 'Ire' if not אירא?

Regards,
Aaron Slotnik


Stephan Owen Parnes
 

Dear Aaron,

The correct spelling of the Galitzianer name ״Ire״ is אורי.  For textual evidence of this, see the following 1901 letterhead of Rabbi Nuchim Ire Gellis נחום אורי געלליס (of Solotwina bei Stanislau):

Stephan Parnes
Great Barrington, MA


On Feb 15, 2021, at 5:48 PM, Aaron Slotnik <aaronslotnik@...> wrote:

Hi Binyamin and Yitschok - Thank you for helpful replies.  The family was Galitzianer and Mendel/Max's oldest son's 1898 Jagielnica birth record is spelled 'Ire' presumably after Mendel's father.  Is there a standard/accepted spelling of the Yiddish name 'Ire' if not אירא?

Regards,
Aaron Slotnik


Yohanan
 

Aaron,
In my family tree there is Urin, from poland, Hebrew name Ahron. 
could Uri / Ire be the origin of your own name?
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Yohanan LOEFFLER
Melbourne, Australia

Researching (main surnames):
From Austria, Slovakia: LOFFLER / LEFLER, LEDERER, SCHNEIDER, NATHAN, SEELENFRIED, ZAPPERT.
From Bukowina, Galicia: MINSTER / MUNSTER, NAGEL, SCHERL, IWANIR.
From Poland / Belarus: ALTMAN, KAMINSKY, KAMINKIER, LUBETKIN, SZTARK, YOSELEWICZ, KOSLOWSKI, KRAMARZ, RAUCHFELD.