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Decipher handwritten text re citizenship status #records


N. Summers
 

I'm trying to decipther the handwritten entry for "Citizenship" on a 1925 NY census. In the column "If Naturalized, when and where" there are entries for my ggf Morris, ggm Clara and gu Sam. The first entry, for Morris, presumably means "naturalized in 1916 in New York".  The second entry, his wife Clara, I think says "Hus. Pap." which probably means she gained citizenship under her husband's naturalization papers. (on this census page, most of the wives have this notation)

But the third line, for their son Sam, is a mystery.  It doesn't look like "first papers"; and since he arrived in 1906 it is unlikely that he would have waited so long to file a Declaration. Can anyone figure out what this entry says?

Finally, if Clara became a citizen under her Husbands papers, how would she be able to prove her citizenship if needed later?

thanks so much,
Nancy


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Nancy Summers

Maryland, USA

 

FINKELSTEIN, BOOKSTEIN, KOENIG/SUKOENIG, LUSMAN, GOLDINER, SAGORODER/ZAGORODER (Radziwillow, Belarus/Ukraine; Ostrog, Poland/Belarus; Warsaw, Poland; Wolinsky, Russia/Ukraine)

LISS / ALPER  (Motol, Russia/Belarus)

LEAF / LIFSCHITZ ( Rechitsa, Belarus)


Corinna Woehrl
 

Hello Nancy,

could the third entry be Fath. Pap - fathers paper?

Regards from Germany,
Corinna Wöhrl, Hoisdorf, Germany


Susan&David
 

1. Probably Father's papers. His father naturalized while Sam was a minor.  See if Sam's age matches the year of his father's naturalization.  
2. She could show her husband's naturalization certificate along with her marriage certificate.  If it came to a court case, and she had neither document i.e., married in Europe, no Ketuba, the naturalization  could be obtained from the court and there could be people to attest to the facts of marriage.


David Rosen
Boston, MA

 

On 9/26/2020 12:53 PM, N. Summers via groups.jewishgen.org wrote:
I'm trying to decipther the handwritten entry for "Citizenship" on a 1925 NY census. In the column "If Naturalized, when and where" there are entries for my ggf Morris, ggm Clara and gu Sam. The first entry, for Morris, presumably means "naturalized in 1916 in New York".  The second entry, his wife Clara, I think says "Hus. Pap." which probably means she gained citizenship under her husband's naturalization papers. (on this census page, most of the wives have this notation)

But the third line, for their son Sam, is a mystery.  It doesn't look like "first papers"; and since he arrived in 1906 it is unlikely that he would have waited so long to file a Declaration. Can anyone figure out what this entry says?

Finally, if Clara became a citizen under her Husbands papers, how would she be able to prove her citizenship if needed later?

thanks so much,
Nancy


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Nancy Summers

Maryland, USA

 

FINKELSTEIN, BOOKSTEIN, KOENIG/SUKOENIG, LUSMAN, GOLDINER, SAGORODER/ZAGORODER (Radziwillow, Belarus/Ukraine; Ostrog, Poland/Belarus; Warsaw, Poland; Wolinsky, Russia/Ukraine)

LISS / ALPER  (Motol, Russia/Belarus)

LEAF / LIFSCHITZ ( Rechitsa, Belarus)



David Oseas
 

"Father - papers"

Regards,
David Oseas


Diane Jacobs
 

You never know when a person decides to naturalize. My grandfather arrived in 1888
as a 3 year old with his family. In the 1920 US Census it says born New York.  In 1929 he became a citizen.

Diane Jacobs



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I'm trying to decipther the handwritten entry for "Citizenship" on a 1925 NY census. In the column "If Naturalized, when and where" there are entries for my ggf Morris, ggm Clara and gu Sam. The first entry, for Morris, presumably means "naturalized in 1916 in New York".  The second entry, his wife Clara, I think says "Hus. Pap." which probably means she gained citizenship under her husband's naturalization papers. (on this census page, most of the wives have this notation)

But the third line, for their son Sam, is a mystery.  It doesn't look like "first papers"; and since he arrived in 1906 it is unlikely that he would have waited so long to file a Declaration. Can anyone figure out what this entry says?

Finally, if Clara became a citizen under her Husbands papers, how would she be able to prove her citizenship if needed later?

thanks so much,
Nancy


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Nancy Summers

Maryland, USA

 

FINKELSTEIN, BOOKSTEIN, KOENIG/SUKOENIG, LUSMAN, GOLDINER, SAGORODER/ZAGORODER (Radziwillow, Belarus/Ukraine; Ostrog, Poland/Belarus; Warsaw, Poland; Wolinsky, Russia/Ukraine)

LISS / ALPER  (Motol, Russia/Belarus)

LEAF / LIFSCHITZ ( Rechitsa, Belarus)


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Diane Jacobs, Somerset, New Jersey