Departure from Poland to France, for political reasons #poland
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wenglenski virginie
Hello,
My great-grandparents left Poland (Lodz) and immigrated to France in 1913. I always heard that they left for political reasons.
Could someone tell me what could be understood by political reasons in those years?
If I have managed to find any trace of my great-grandmother's family, I have never found anything about my great-grandfather Isaac Wenglinski (Piotrkow Trybunalski) in 10 years of research... Prison? Name change? Thank you in advance and have a nice day. Virginie Wenglenski
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Hi Virgine,
Lodz was a highly industrial city that was only built up starting in the 1820s. The city actively attracted workers from throughout the Russian Empire and Germany as well. There was a revolution in Russia in 1905 after Russia list the Russo-Japanese war It led to an opening in government and a parliament Revolutionary activity - by socialists, communists, and others - surged. Jews were especially involved. It could be that your ancestors were involved in this kind of activity in Lodz, organizing, planning. They would have come under the suspicion of the Czar's police Exile to Siberia was often the result It is quite possible this is why they left for France, a common destination for refugee revolutionaries. -- Best Regards, David Levine San Francisco, CA, USA Researching:
Weinstein -> Solotwina, Galicia | Frisch, Hilman, Jungerman, Schindler -> Rozniatow, Galicia | Golanski, Kramerofsky/Kromerovsky -> Kiev | Lefkowitz -> Petrikov, Belarus | Shub, Rosen Hlusk, Belarus | Levine, Weiner, Zamoshkin -> Slutsk, Belarus
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wenglenski virginie
Thank you David for these explanations. Do you think there are records in Poland about these revolutionaries? Police files?
Best Regards, Virginie Wenglenski
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Jeff.Kutcher@...
Hi Virginie, On the ushmm.org data base there is an Isaac Wenglinski born 1887. This would put him at an age of 26 when he left for France. From research of my family about this time in Poland many young people of this age were fully active in political organisations particularly communist / socialist / zionist or any combination of these. Searching a bit further there is a French Memorial of the Shoah website which has a tiny bit more information but the most significant bit is his place of birth ... Piotrkow,
and you can see his parent's names. On this page is a box on the right where you can contact them for further information.
Regards Jeff
PS .... a long shot, but it has worked for me in the past and that is to do a google search for " Wenglinski France / francais"or any combination with other French words and you may come up with a descendant and then try to make contact. I found a lost family section in France this way. e.g. Try Sandrine Wenglenski here https://www.lvmt.fr/en/equipe/sandrine-wenglenski/ you never know ... Jeff Kutcher Spain Family Research: Kutscher - Jaroslaw Zmidek - Chmielnik, Warsaw Litman - Lodz Szklarek -Gombin http://www.jskutcher.name/
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patrice.markiewicz@...
Hello Virginie,
Where in France your great-grand-parents emigrated to? To Paris? In which area of Paris? Ph.D. in contemporainy History and specialized in the History of the Jews from Poland and Russia who emigrated toward the 18th area of Paris between 1852 and the end of the 1930's, I might help you if you want. Please, feel free to contact me. Patrice Markiewicz. I am living very close to Paris. patrice.markiewicz@...
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wenglenski virginie
Thank you Jeff for all your research. Isaac was my great grandfather and Hinda his wife. Sandrine is my sister. I have already done the research you recommended. Sadly, for the moment, it did not give anything. I am thinking that I will have to go to Poland, to Lodz or Piotrkow because all the archives have not been digitized. Perhaps there are collections on political "fighters". I think that in addition, Isaac changed his name when he left Lodz! I continue to hope :-) Have a nice day. Virginie Wenglenski
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Bernard Flam
Hi from Paris,
I wish to add two comments to the very good answer of David Levine. Always remember that before 1914, and from 1870, France was the sole Republic in Europe. You can understand that other countries, which were Monarchy or Empire, weren't very open to young migrants (or their own citizen) promoting revolutionary ideas. So Paris became a special place were foreign activists could stay, as long as they didn't act again French state. You could find there a melting pot of foreign students and poor workers elaborating their plans to export their ideas. To David's list, I wish to add Anarchists and last but not the least, Bundists ! You know of course that Bundists were Secular Socialists Jews and that Bund (est. 1897) became the main political and union movement among Jewish workers in Polish interwar period. Here, in Medem Center of Paris, we transmit its spiritual heritage. Now, concerning your Wenglenski family. I repeat, and repeat and repeat again in this forum, search my previous posts where I gave precise instructions to obtain copies. You have to search / ask only 4 French and free data basis to start your search of any ancestor who stayed a while in France :
Khavershaft Bernard Flam Archives & history of Medem Center - Arbeter Ring ( Bund / Workmen Circle in France)
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