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Divorce records #usa


janice1219@...
 

My g-mother , Eva Cole, married Max Weener in July, 1921 in New York.  They were divorced after two  children were born; Sumner and Marylyn.  I have been searching for a divorce record.  It could have been filed in either New York or Massachusetts. 
It's been a dead end for me.  Does anyone have any suggestions? 
Janice Weinberg 
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Diane Jacobs
 

In NYC, divorces are not public for 100 years.
So you have several years to wait. You can check with the Division of 0ld Records located on the 7th floor of 31 Chambers Street in Lower Manhattan which also houses the Municipal 
Archives.  They should be able to look thru the divorce index and then get you the actual record when it is 100 years old.

Diane Jacobs


On Feb 16, 2021, at 3:54 PM, janice1219 via groups.jewishgen.org <janice1219=aol.com@...> wrote:

My g-mother , Eva Cole, married Max Weener in July, 1921 in New York.  They were divorced after two  children were born; Sumner and Marylyn.  I have been searching for a divorce record.  It could have been filed in either New York or Massachusetts. 
It's been a dead end for me.  Does anyone have any suggestions? 
Janice Weinberg 
Janice1219@...

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Gail H. Marcus
 

I have a related question that might possibly be relevant for the questioner or for others.  Are all the papers associated with a divorce sealed for 100 years from the actual divorce date, or do papers become available 100 years from when they were filed?

My grandmother first filed for divorce in 1916 in New York (the Bronx).  However, they apparently must have reconciled and the divorce wasn't finalized until 1931.  If the first filing is available 100 years from the date of the filing, I could get it now.  If I have to wait until the divorce was finalized, I have to wait another 10 years.  My thought is that the preliminary filing might contain some useful information.

A related question is whether initial filings have any details, such as reasons for filing for divorce.  (I.e., whether such records really do contain anything useful.)

This may be a longer interval than for most divorces, but if there is any useful information in earlier records, it might help some people.

Gail Marcus
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jbonline1111@...
 

Based on my experience in family court in another state, initial filings before no-fault divorce became common would include the basis of the divorce, such as mental illness, desertion, or alcoholism, the three reasons most typically allowed.  
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Barbara Sloan
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Lee Hover
 

My parents were divorced in Brooklyn in the late 1940s.  At that time, and earlier, the only legitimate reason for divorce was  adultery.  As a result, many couples arranged a scenario in a hotel, so as to be caught in flagrante delicto with a willing accomplice.

Lee MESSING Hover
Lacey, WA
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Sherri Bobish
 


Hi Janice,

As Diane stated, divorce records index can be searched at 31 Chambers St., 7th floor.  This site has detailed info, including the phone number for the Old Records on the 7th floor:
http://ww2.nycourts.gov/courts/1jd/supctmanh/county_clerk_records.shtml

I do not know if they are currently allowing researchers in person due to Covid.  Also, I believe Old Records is only open two days per week.  Best to call, and ask if they can look up the name in their index.

Years ago I found a 1913 divorce in the index.  Since it was just short of 100 years I could not see the actual file at that time.  After the 100 year mark had passed than I did see the file.  There is a whole process to order the file and then weeks later to go to a different building to see it.

As Lee and Barbara mentioned, since no-fault divorce did not exist at that time, it is hard to know how true or invented were the accusations in the divorce.

Hope this helps,

Sherri Bobish


Ina Getzoff
 

Gail:
My husband's maternal grandparents divorced in 1943-his grandfather filed for divorce on their 33rd wedding anniversary in Manhattan. When I tried to get a copy of the divorce papers I was told I had to either get authorization from the two people involved-that was not going to happen since they are both deceased or wait 100 years after the divorce. It was never indicated to me whether or not it was 100 years after the initial filing or when it became final. In any case, what I did end up getting was a copy of the divorce index which you might be able to get from either the court or if there is a local records department in the Bronx. You can also try the Department of Records on Varick Street in Manhattan since the Bronx is one of the five boroughs. In the index I got the name of the two people involved, the date of divorce and the information about the attorney. There was no reason for the divorce listed even though I know that the reason. At that time the only reason for divorce , at least in New York, was adultery.

Good luck and hope this helps.
Ina Getzoff
Delray Beach, Florida


David Harrison
 

This was also common in Great Britain until about 1980.  Additionally, people getting a divorce had to be very careful that any friends were not quoted as accomplices by The Queen's Proctor (a crown office specifically for this purpose) to nullify the petition.

David Harrison, Birmingham GB
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My parents were divorced in Brooklyn in the late 1940s.  At that time, and earlier, the only legitimate reason for divorce was  adultery.  As a result, many couples arranged a scenario in a hotel, so as to be caught in flagrante delicto with a willing accomplice.

Lee MESSING Hover
Lacey, WA
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Eleanor Lind
 

Did they have a Jewish divorce? You may find more information from the Synagogue/ Beth Din records
Eleanor Lind 
london UK

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Barbara G.
 

Does anyone know whether you can get any information about divorce records from NY City without going to NYC? My grandparents divorced over 100 years ago.  If so is there a phone number since I can't find anything online.


Barbara Garrard


Ellen Slotoroff Zyroff
 



There is a phone number at this site:

http://ww2.nycourts.gov/courts/1jd/supctmanh/county_clerk_records.shtml


Ellen Zyroff

On Friday, February 19, 2021, 09:59:43 AM PST, Barbara G. <bwgarrard@...> wrote:


Does anyone know whether you can get any information about divorce records from NY City without going to NYC? My grandparents divorced over 100 years ago.  If so is there a phone number since I can't find anything online.


Barbara Garrard

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A. E. Jordan
 

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From: Barbara G. <bwgarrard@...>
Does anyone know whether you can get any information about divorce records from NY City without going to NYC? My grandparents divorced over 100 years ago.  If so is there a phone number since I can't find anything online.


Divorces were by borough not NYC as a whole so you need to know where it took place. A lot of divorces were done outside New York because they were easier to get in some places versus New York.

If it was in New York City, it is borough dependent if the file still exists. You would have to hire a researcher to go to the record room I believe. In Manhattan the files are stored off site and while it is not impossible to get the files it takes patience and frequent followups. A lot of the Brooklyn records are missing or were destroyed in a warehouse fire a few years ago. In Brooklyn I have been able to go to the courthouse and look at the microfiche of the index to find the case but they are filed by date and then name so it takes some hunting. Then they would let you see the minutes which in effect is an index of the case also on the microfiche. Then you have to go to the sub basement record room to request the file.

Problem is that most of the court houses are closed to the public due to the pandemic and it is unclear when they might reopen. Some of the record rooms are permitting researchers by appointment in very limited numbers.

Allan Jordan