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Emigration Routes to London UK 1890s #poland #courland #latvia #general #russia


Rachel
 

In trying to break down brick walls I'm revisiting avenues I considered some time ago and had no success with, but I'm hoping there may be new information out there that I have missed.  My ggp are said t have met on the boat coming to England in about 1892.  She came from Courland and he came from Russia Poland.  I can't be any more specific than that.  What are the most likely routes they would have taken? and what records exist?

Rachel Poole UK


rv Kaplan
 

They probably sailed from Libau (have never seen any passenger lists) or Hamburg (passenger lists on Ancestry).
Harvey Kaplan
Glasgow, Scotland


Rachel bill.johra@... via groups.jewishgen.org 

03:37 (6 hours ago)
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In trying to break down brick walls I'm revisiting avenues I considered some time ago and had no success with, but I'm hoping there may be new information out there that I have missed.  My ggp are said t have met on the boat coming to England in about 1892.  She came from Courland and he came from Russia Poland.  I can't be any more specific than that.  What are the most likely routes they would have taken? and what records exist?

Rachel Poole UK


Jill Whitehead
 

Hi Rachel

I suggest you look at records held by 1) The UK National Archives online for migration 2) The University of Hull 3) Hull Maritime Museum and also Grimsby Maritime Museum, both ports on the River Humber 4) Hamburg port records- all available online. Also 5) Shipping line records especially the Wilson Shipping Line of Hull. NB there are few if any passenger manifests for any migration at this time as either they were not kept or they were destroyed.

My ancestors came over to Northern England and Scotland between 1865 and 1875, they came by sailing boat to Hull or Leith, the port for Edinburgh. Others went to the Port of London, or to other ports in NE England e.g. Newcastle on Tyne.The new deep water port of Grimsby opened in the early to mid 1890's from memory, to take steamships. 

Many sailed from Hamburg in the 1890's, after train trips from elsewhere in Estern Europe. My ancestors probably sailed from either Libau in Latvia or from Konigsberg - they lived on the border with Konigsberg, and there was a lot of human smuggling that occured across that border for those who had been called up by the Tsar to his army. 

Jill Whitehead, Surrey, UK


carolagate34@...
 

This is from the report of a couple leaving from Kozelets in Chernigi=ov in Ukraine: They went to Hamburg where they boarded the Sprite on May 24, 1890, which took them to Hull, on the east coast of England. They took a train across England to Liverpool where they boarded the City of Chicago, which arrived in New York on June 9. I have no idea how common a route that might have been.


Jill Whitehead
 

Hi Carola,

The Hamburg-Hull-Liverpool-USA route was very common. There is a sculpture at Hull railway station that commemorates this. 

A Chicago distant cousin of mine made a programme for the BBC's Coast series in 2008, as his ancestor made this trip in 1892.  His ancestor was lucky as it was the last trip out of Hamburg for some months, due to a Cholera outbreak.

Jill Whitehead, Surrey, UK


Diane Jacobs
 

My great grandparents and children did the same route from Vilna in early 1888 .

Diane Jacobs 



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Subject: Re: [JewishGen.org] Emigration Routes to London UK 1890s #general #courland #latvia #russia #poland

This is from the report of a couple leaving from Kozelets in Chernigi=ov in Ukraine: They went to Hamburg where they boarded the Sprite on May 24, 1890, which took them to Hull, on the east coast of England. They took a train across England to Liverpool where they boarded the City of Chicago, which arrived in New York on June 9. I have no idea how common a route that might have been.
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Diane Jacobs, Somerset, New Jersey


Arlene Beare
 

Jill Whitehead has given a good idea of travel at that time.  I would like to add that from Courland they usually left from the port of Libau now Liepaja in Latvia.  They usually docked at one of the Humber ports Grimsby or Hull and then went by train to Liverpool  or Manchester.  Rachel says he came from Russian Poland. A lot would depend on where he came from as Russian Poland is a large area.. Sadly there are no incoming lists for ships arriving at that time from Libau..
In this case if they met on board it is unlikely that he would have travelled to Libau and more likely she made her way to Hamburg. However one cannot discount that he left from Libau.  The Hamburg passenger lists are available on Ancestry.com or Ancestry.co.uk. You need a Worldwide subscription.  When searching use the German spelling eg  Josef not Joseph.
As you  have hit a brick wall please try to use Family Search as they are filming millions of new records daily. I assume you have searched the Jewishgen Latvia database but take another look as I recently added a new database on passport issuance books and your ancestor's name may be in it.
Arlene Beare
Co-director Latvia Research.


Dennis Flavell
 

Another shipping company into Hull from Hamburg / Bremen was AHL (Associated Humber Lines). 


June Genis
 

I found the manifest for my grandmother arriving in Montreal from Liverpool but have never found documentation of how she got to Liverpool.  Any suggestions? My grandfather came over before and I think arrived in New York although I can't find a manifest for his name, Simon or Solomon Okun, that I completely trust.  Her manifest says she and their two daughters were meeting her husband, "Solomon" in St.Albans, VT I have no idea how he got there.