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Fogel family in Rivne or Rowno is this the same place #ukraine

Marilyn Levinson
 

Dear fellow researchers
I hzvd documents indicating my Fogel family is from Rivne, and some documents state they are from Rovno.  Is this the same town?  Also is Rivne or Rovno
the name of a region, an oblast perhaps under Tsarist Russia?  The conflicting forms were filled out from 1913 through 1940.  Thank you for your help.
Marilyn Levinson
Spring Lake NC

Susan&David
 

Rivne / Rovno / Rowno in Ukraine are one place.
See https://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/rovno/index.asp

David Rosen
Bosto, MA

Max Heffler
 

Yes. You can see the variations in the JewishGen Gazetteer at https://www.jewishgen.org/databases/gazetteer/gazetteer.php:

 

More Info Rivne, Rovno, Rowne, Ruvne                populated place              

50°37' N 26°15' E

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Ukraine

187.8 miles W of Kyyiv 50°26' N 30°31' E

 

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Dear fellow researchers
I hzvd documents indicating my Fogel family is from Rivne, and some documents state they are from Rovno.  Is this the same town?  Also is Rivne or Rovno
the name of a region, an oblast perhaps under Tsarist Russia?  The conflicting forms were filled out from 1913 through 1940.  Thank you for your help.
Marilyn Levinson
Spring Lake NC


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Alexander Sharon
 

This appears to be town Rovnoye [Rus], currently known as Rivne in Yelizavetgrad (later Kirovograd) in Kherson Guberniya, Ukraine at 48°15' N 31°45' E
It should not be confused with the larger town/provincial seat of Wolhynia Province - Rowno (currently also known as Rivne) at 50°37' N 26°14' E
Conflicting forms that were filled from 1913 to 1940 could not be related to Wolhynia's Rivne since this towns from 1922 till 1939 was located in Poland and was known as Równe, capital of Poland Wołyń województwo.

Alexander Sharon,
JGFF editor

igersammy@...
 

Hi Marilyn,

My own family from the city of Rovno (Rivne in the Ukrainian language). This City has a big ownership history like most of the cities and towns in the Eastern Europe. 
From Wikipedia and my own research:
1.  Following the Second Partition of Poland in 1793 Rovno (Rivne) became a part of the Russian Empire, and in 1797 it was declared to be a county level (uyezd) town of the Volhynian Governorate of the Russian Empire. 
2. 
During World War I (1914-1918) and the period of chaos shortly after, it was briefly under German, Ukrainian, Bolshevik, and Polish rule. In April–May 1919 Rivne served as the temporary capital of Ukrainian People's Republic
3. As the result of the Polish-Soviet war and 
in accordance with the Riga Peace Treaty of 1921 it became a part of Polish Volhynian Voivodeship, a situation which would last until the Second World War (17 September, 1939).
4. On 17-September-1939, Rovno (
Rivne) was taken over by the Soviet Union. From December of the same year Rovno (Rivne) became the centre of the newly established Rivne Oblast, within the Ukrainian SSR.
5. 
On June 28, 1941 Rovno (Rivne) was captured by Nazi Germany, which later established the city as the administrative centre of Reichskommissariat Ukraine. At the time, roughly half of Rovno's inhabitants were Jewish; of these, about 23,000 were taken to a pine grove in Sosenki near the City of Rovno (Rivne) and killed between November 6 and 8 by Nazis and their collaborators. A Jewish ghetto was established in Rovno for the remaining 5,000 Jews. In July 1942, its population was sent 70 km (43 mi) north to Kostopil where they were killed, the ghetto was subsequently liquidated on 13-July-1942.
6. 
On February 2, 1944, the city was liberated from the Nazis by the Red Army in the Battle of Rovno, and remained under Soviet control until Ukraine regained its independence on the break-up of the USSR in 1991.

Please also see attached:
 ''
Holocaust in Rovno Book'' in PDF by Jefrey Burds;

Sheila Toffell
 

Actually there are two. The larger, and better known one in the Volyhinya region, and a small town about 29miles SSW of what a lot of us know as Yelisavetograd, more recently Kirovograd, and now an unpronounceable name  like Kropnovitski (just search for Kirovograd!!) My maternal GMs family lived in the smaller town at some point, but I have yet to find records, bc I don't know which administrative region it comes under. It is pronounced Rivnoye. 


Sheila Toffell
Glen Rock NJ

igersammy@...
 

Rowno, a Memorial to the
Jewish Community of Rowno, Volyn
(Rivne, Ukraine)

50°37' / 26°15'

Translation of
Rowne; sefer zikaron

Edited by: A. Avitachi, Former Residents of Rowno in Israel

Published in Tel Aviv, Israel 1956 (H, 591 pages).

 

Victoria Fisch
 

You may also want to acquire the book, "The Moses of Rovno" about a German who rescued Jews in that town, Fritz Graebe. His son owned an apartment that I lived in, and Mr. Graebe was honored by being named a Righteous Gentile. He was the only German to testify against Germany in the Nuremberg trials. The book was written by Douglas Huneke, and while I was living in the flat a film crew came from Germany to do a documentary about him that was afterwards featured at Jewish film festivals.

igersammy@...
 

Thank you Victoria!

I have ordered this book from Amazon already.

Do you have it in PDF by any chance?

Also it would be nice of you to send a link with this film about Mr. Fritz Graebe or just its name as it was present at the Jewish film festival, if it is possible please.

igersammy@...
 

Also attaching a book ''Shelter from the Holocaust'' by Anita Grossman.

Many people might find it interesting. 

Sally Bruckheimer
 

People should know that copyright laws prohibit 'publishing' material fairly new or new material without the author's approval. Just because you can attach something, that doesn't make it legal.
 
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Sally Bruckheimer
Princeton, NJ