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David Selig
 

HI to all, and Happy New Year. 

I recently made it to the French National archives, and having been helped by some of you, am gald to offer any help, especially regarding the French files (Police, Identity cards, Naturalization...) held there. 

It is very complex to find one's way around the files / dossiers/ record numbers. 
A huge archive was seized by the Germans, then by the Russians in 1945, taken to Moscow, and onyl returned to France in 1990's

It is known as the "Fonds de Moscou". 

I will gladly offer what help I can to anyone seekeing information on family in France, from about 1900 onwards. 

Best to all, David Selig. 


Michael Rubin
 

Does anyone know whether French archives have copies (or, maybe even, originals) of name adoption or other B,M,D records from the areas of Germany ruled by Napoleon?  Such records exist within German archives though not comprehensively.  

Thanks for your kind offer to help, David.

Michael Rubin


Linda Habenstreit
 

Hi David. I very much appreciate your offer to help anyone seeking information on family in France from the Fonds de Moscou in the French National Archives. I would very much appreciate your help in examining the files/dossiers/records to find information about my paternal grandmother's brother Leon STECKMAN. He was likely born in 1903 in either Liczkowce, Galicia, Austria, or Husiatyn, Galicia, Austria, which is now part of Ternopil, Ukraine. According to my grandmother, Leon STECKMAN married a woman, who was born in 1913, from Warsaw, Poland. Either Leon STECKMAN'S or his wife's cousins were Malche LINKER and Anna MELTZER. According to my grandmother, Leon STECKMAN was in a tuberculosis home. According to one of my grandmother's children, Leon STECKMAN wrote a letter to my grandmother in 1944 saying he was living in Paris, France. If you can help me access the Fonds de Moscou to search for my great-uncle, I would be grateful. Thank you so much!
Linda Habenstreit
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mbekken@...
 

We had a greatuncle, Efraim Rosenbaum, who left the village of Pruzana in Poland as a teenager. This would have been around 1900, give or take a decade (one relative says he was born in 1890, but the other relative says 1879). He moved to Paris. The entire family story that I have is "There, he married and had a daughter. She changed her name and married a non-Jew." I am trying to find out what happened to him, so any information would be nice. I do not see him on camp records, but he could easily have died before WW2. If you happen to encounter him, I'd love the information! I do not know the name of the wife or daughter, but the marriage would presumably have been between 1900 or so and 1920. The presumption is that he stayed in Paris. His father was a miller, and his brother was a farmer, so he'd be likely to have a hands-on type of profession.

Marijke Bekken
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ROSENBAUM, KATZ, PAKLER, CHOMSKI


itencorinne@...
 

Hi

I was several times on the website of the "Fonds de Moscou". But I couldn't find out if they have some records about Ludwig Jacob Straus(s) also known as Louis Straus(s) or not. He was born in Mannheim on the 27.02.1917 and emigrated to Paris in 1933. He was interned in camp Tombebouc and camp de Savaud in Casseneuil (both situated in the Departement Lot-et-Garonne). On the 09.09.1942 he was deported on the 20th convoy from Drancy to Auschwitz. I found the documents about this convoy on the website of the Mémorial de la Shoah. But I don't know where he lived and what he did before he was in the camps in Lot-et-Garonne. To find him in the 1936 census of Paris is impossible if I don't know the address where he lived at that time.

Thanks and best regards

Corinne Iten
Lucerne, Switzerland


itencorinne@...
 

Hi Marijke Bekken

The m
arriage record and maybe also the birth record of the daughter should be online here:
http://archives.paris.fr/r/124/etat-civil-de-paris/
http://archives.paris.fr/r/284/etat-civil-a-partir-de-1860/

The census records of Paris of the years 1926, 1931 and 1936 are also online here:
http://archives.paris.fr/r/126/sources-genealogiques-complementaires/
http://archives.paris.fr/s/11/denombrements-de-population/?

Regards
Corinne Iten


L Levy
 

What a generous offer! I've been looking for relatives who fled Lida and Vilna for France.  I only have two first names, the mother Simcha and the daughter Janine. We were told that their last name was Aronovitz. Janine would have been born around 1938, and may have a son named Eli.  Simcha's maiden name would be a variant of Tzgelnitka or Tzgelnitski, and we believe she was born around 1900 in Lida. Thanks you!

Laura Levy
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Bberiman597
 

I would love to find out about any of our Nussdorf relatives in France.  Thank you so much.  Barbara Berman


David Choukroun
 

On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 12:04 PM, <mbekken@...> wrote:
Rosenbaum
Dear Marijke, 
it shall be possible to find the wed. record  and even the death records for Ephraim using the Paris Archives
État civil à partir de 1860 - Tables décennales - Archives de Paris

Go with the decennales tables first , search for the 2 possibles periods covering your guess 

The trick, is that you do not know the address, so there are 20 arrondissements to check (but this is fast) per period

Once you have found the date in the decennale tables, you can go back to main menu to ask for the exact act

Will search (a bit) when possible 

Best, 
David



 
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David Choukroun
 

Dear Linda, 

I had a quick look to the Fond de Moscou and found the following reference that might be the right one if we consider that Leon is the French variant of Chaïm (that was quite common)


Will chase the file later -- Covid is making the access more complicated (and they have announced another curfew @ 6PM a few minutes ago)

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David CHOUKROUN

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David Choukroun
 

Dear Corinne, 

looking at the fond de moscou, several candidates appeared 



And even a Jacob Strauss, and several Strauss (without first names) -- but the probability is really small to have a match if your are 100% sure of the first names.

In such case, the best is to look at other sources

I have found a reference that can match :   In the Drancy report, this is written "Student"

And in the Journal Officiel de la République Française , from 1939, we can read : 


So a Louis STRAUSS, German, had a great diploma from the "Hautes études commerciales"

It might be possible to find his "student" career no that the school is known...

The next step is to make one assumption : there is in Paris the "Cite universitaire Internationale" where all the nationalities (especially from Europe) used to met and live together

Hope that helps, 



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David Choukroun
 

Dear Laura, 
my apologies, I am not sure to understand your request in details
Where Eli is born ?  Paris ? 
Where Janine in born ? Paris ? 
What is the name of the father of Janine ? Mr xx Aronivitz


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David Lewin
 

At 17:18 14/01/2021, David Choukroun wrote:
Dear Linda, I had a quick look to the Fond de Moscou and found the following reference that might be the right one if we consider that Leon is the French variant of Chaïm (that was quite common)[] Will chase the file later -- Covid is making the access more complicated (and they have announced another curfew @ 6PM a few minutes ago)-- Regards, David CHOUKROUN david.choukroun@...FRANCECHOUKROUN ATTALI ATLANI
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Is that really true?

Leon is a Lion and its Hebrew equivalent would be Arye

Chaim is Life in Hebrew

David Lewin
London


psprung@...
 

Hi David,
I noticed your very generous offer to assist in efforts to identify family in France from 1900 on. I've been researching members of my family that I believe moved to Paris in
approximately the early 1910's
 from Brody (then in Poland). My information is quite sketchy, and so far, I haven't had any success. 
Here are the persons/business that I have identified:
1. Bernard Sprung -- date of birth and death unknown. Most likely born in Brody. He had a brother named Schulim (my great grandfather), who was born in Brody in 1859
and died in the Holocaust. His parents were Chuneh and Rivke. His wife's name is unknown. He had two daughters, Bertha and Jeanette.  
2. Yitzhak Sprung -- brother of Bernard and Schulim. Date of birth and death unknown. Most likely born in Brody. His wife was Ronith and had children named Bertha,
Emanuel and Rachel.
3. Sprung Freres -- I believe that Bernard and Yitzhak were furriers and had a business named Sprung Freres. There is still a Paris business named Sprung Freres: 
https://www.sprungfreres.fr/en/history/. I don't know whether it's the same business as the one owned by Bernard and Yitzhak.

I consulted with the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington, D.C. They suggested that I contact the Ministère des Affaires étrangères, OFPRA, and the
National Archives. They gave me contact information for each of these institutions. I have not contacted them, because I don't speak French and I live in Washington, D.C.
I'd be very grateful for any assistance you could provide, including directing me to resources that I could access myself online.   
Sincerely,
Peter C. Sprung


David Choukroun
 

Dear Barbara,

The name Nussdorf is not so common. However I cannot find any reference easily in the French regular databases

Can you please provide a little bit more  : any deviation in the orthograph ? any first name ? dates ? 

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David CHOUKROUN

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David Choukroun
 

Hello David, 

I have at least one example in my family where a "Chaïm" selected "Léon" as French version of his first name

I have no clue if this was a choice or imposed by the French officiers (they were using always the same "translation" : all the Nedjma = Etoile, all the Nessim = Simon etc...)


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David CHOUKROUN

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David Choukroun
 

Hello Peter, 
 
1. Bernard SPRUNG is known under Ber SPRUNG name, born the 05/04/1865 @ Brody

Bernard married Gitel Esther FRIEDEL (born around 1868) and they had at least Berthe SPRUNG ( Born the 24 Oct 1890 @ Paris 4ieme, Deceased the 22 March 1948 @ Clichy)
Berthe married a Mr Judel ERTHMANN the 07 April 1910 @ Paris 10ieme
I suspect that Jeannette SPRUNG is known under the name Jeanne SPRUNG who married Marcus STEINBOCK in 1922 in Paris (to be proven with the Clichy census (not Paris) 
I am sending to you all the acts and one exceptional piece that is a military records for Bernard  (with the names of the parents : Chone  SPRUNG x Rebecca CHAYA

Bernard came in France in 1904

2. Isaac SPRUNG is known as Isaac Karlmon SPRUNG

He married Ronie Lea KREMENER and they had at least : 
- Nathalie : ( 03 Jan 1895 Paris / 06 Nov 1982 @ Annemasse (Haute Savoie)) -- she married  Iona MERARIN in Paris 1917
- Rachel : (03 Jan 1895 Paris / 9 Jun 1980 à Maison Laffitte)  -- she married a Salomon ARONIVICI in Paris in 1922
- Emmanuel SPRUNG : (will check later)
I am sending you the acts in private , as well as the records from the Census at the various addresses
See the signature attached -- I always found those signature very nice


3- there is a database (microfilm) where the aryanisation of (most of ) the jewish companies are captured
We will find the names of the administrator who took the lead, the bank who took the money and other ugly details 
Microfilm available @ Archives Nationale in France.  Will help to chase this one as well


As you can see :  The Sprung family in France can be found with all the details via various sources
I have captured several naturalisation file references that might help you to consolidate the full family -- this will provide tons of details for sure

Best regards
David Choukroun 



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