given name Chashele #latvia #names
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rv Kaplan
Can anyone tell me about the given name Chashele - for someone who was born in 19th century Lithuania. Is it Yiddish, corresponding to a Hebrew name? Seems to refer in my family to my grandfather's sister Ray. I don't know if she was maybe Rochel Chashele?
thanks
Harvey Kaplan
Glasgow, Scotland
KAPLAN, FAYN, FEIN, FINE, BARSD, GRADMAN
- Ariogala, Josvainiai, Kedainiai, Krakes, Seta, Veliuona, Grinkiskis, Lithuania
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lydgateaction@...
Is it not perhaps Chavala -- .חבלה Although the Hebrew meaning of the name Chavala is "life", in Yiddish it sometimes also meant "a little bird" I think.
I'm no expert but I can see possible confusion in the lettering and transliteration /sin/ vs /shin/ and /bet vs /vet/
In Fiddler on the roof, Tevya sings a song ``Little bird, little Chavala'' (about his daughter Chavala).
"Little Bird, Little Chavala
I don't understand what's happening today
everything is all a blur
Gentle and kind and affectionate
The sweet little bird you were
Chavala, Chavala
Little Bird, Little Chavala.... Aubrey Blumsohn Sheffield, UK
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Marcel Apsel
Harvey,
It might be a diminutive of Chasya
Marcel Apsel Antwerpen, Belgium
If you don’t remember me, I think we had together Friday night dinner in 2018 at the Warsaw Seminar together with Bill Gladstone.
Marcel
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There is a Hebrew name Chasha which exists among the ultra-Orthodox in
Jerusalem Chashele is a diminutive form of the name. Jules Feldman Kibbutz Yizreel
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rv Kaplan
Thanks - but don't think so. I'm wondering if it is a diminutive of Channa - which still wouldn't fit in with the family names - who knows? Harvey Kaplan
On Sat, 31 Oct 2020 at 22:59, lydgateaction via groups.jewishgen.org <lydgateaction=btinternet.com@...> wrote: Is it not perhaps Chavala -- .חבלה Although the Hebrew meaning of the name Chavala is "life", in Yiddish it sometimes also meant "a little bird" I think.
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Sally Bruckheimer
My first thought was that Chashele was Haskiel, a man's name. But you want it to be a woman's name. Women often did not have a Hebrew name, but only Yiddish and / or secular names. One of my 2g grandmothers had 20 children in a tiny town, and her name is different on each birth record; My ggrandmother, her daughter was mostly Rachel in records in the US - this was also one of her mother's names; on her marriage record in NYC, she was Regina. She had a sister born Regina, and this was another of their mother's names. So go figure.
Are you sure Chashele isn't Rachele? Where did you find Chashele? Sally Bruckheimer Princeton, NJ "Can anyone tell me about the given name Chashele"
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Harvey,
You asked about the given name Chashele for someone born in 19th century Lithuania. According to Alexander Beider’s A Dictionary of Ashkenazic Given Names, Khasele is a Yiddish variant of the name Khane (or Chane), apparently a diminutive form of the derivation Khase. Perhaps that is the origin of your relative's name.
Sincerely,
Jay
Jay Paul
San Francisco, CA 94117
Researching: SUMBERG (Pilvishok/Pilviskiai, Lithuania), LANGERT (Pilviskiai & elsewhere in Suwalki gubernia); KAHN (Ranstadt, Germany), GOTTLIEB (Grebenau, Germany), PAVLOVSKIY / PAVLOVSKY (Mala Antonivka, Bila Tserkiv, Vasyl’kiv, Kyiv gubernia, Ukraine), LEVITSKIY / LEVITZSKY (Yasnohorodka, Vasyl’kiv, Kyiv gubernia), KOTLER (Vistytis, Suwalki gubernia, Lithuania; Traby, Belarus), LEIBSON (Lithuania), WOLF, SCHWARZ and STERN (presumed from Austro-Hungary).
-- Jay Paul, PhD San Francisco CA 94117 Researching: SUMBERG (Pilvishok/Pilviskiai, Lithuania), LANGERT (Pilviskiai & elsewhere in Suwalki gubernia); KAHN (Ranstadt, Germany), GOTTLIEB (Grebenau, Germany), PAVLOVSKIY / PAVLOVSKY (Mala Antonivka, Bila Tserkiv, Vasyl’kiv, Kyiv gubernia, Ukraine), LEVITSKIY / LEVITZSKY (Yasnohorodka, Vasyl’kiv, Kyiv gubernia), KOTLER (Vistytis, Suwalki gubernia), WOLF (Austro-Hungary).
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sharon yampell
My great great grandfather’s sister in law was named Chashe; looks like a diminutive of that…
Sharon F. Yampell Voorhees, NJ USA GenealogicalGenie@...
From: Sally Bruckheimer via groups.jewishgen.org
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2020 8:42 PM To: main@... Subject: Re: [JewishGen.org] given name Chashele #latvia #names
My first thought was that Chashele was Haskiel, a man's name. But you want it to be a woman's name. Women often did not have a Hebrew name, but only Yiddish and / or secular names. One of my 2g grandmothers had 20 children in a tiny town,
and her name is different on each birth record; My ggrandmother, her daughter was mostly Rachel in records in the US - this was also one of her mother's names; on her marriage record in NYC, she was Regina. She had a sister born Regina, and this was another
of their mother's names. So go figure.
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David Barrett
Whilst the question implies that Chashele is a Lithuanian derivative there is a Dutch name I believe Hashele which means 'little egg' Could there be any connection? Regards David Barrett
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Marcel Apsel
A diminutive of Channa should be Cahnele.
Marcel Apsel Antwerpen, Belgium
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Marcel Apsel
Don’t forget that Jewish children from the 19th century onwards had gentile names for civilian authorities and Jewish names for internal Jewish communal use and for boys especially a necessary name needed to be called for a Thora blessing. Jewish immigrants from Eastern Europe who did not have specific gentile names start to use them when immigrating to the US. Examples who are not always the same: Mordechai can become Max, Gittel can become Gussie, Rivka can become Rebecca, Rose, Schmiel became Sam and the classical Sean Ferguson was originating from Russia with a family name something like Forgatson (don’t catch me if this name is a little bit different), but the ‘Shoyn fergessen’ – (I forgot) was a classical Jewish joke in the 1930s. On the other hand it often happens that people had two different first names and we see this in the files of JRI-Poland where once a mother is called Malka, a second time Channa and another time Channa Malka. And all 3 versions of those first names were used. So I won’t wonder if that person would use the name Annie for Channa and Regina for Malka for different purposes in the US.
Marcel Apsel Antwerpen, Belgium
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Marcel Apsel
I don’t agree that Chasele is a diminutive of Chana; it should be Chanele or we should have somebody who has problems to pronounce an n; another very doubtful explanation might be that there were two girls named Channa and to differentiate both of them, one might be called Chanele and the other one Chasele. But basically Chasele (little Chasya) is not a diminutive for Chana, but well for Chasya, a first name mainly used in very religious circles. My neighbor’s daughter is called Chassie, another diminutive of Chasya.
Marcel Apsel Antwerpen, Belgium
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rv Kaplan
Thanks Makes me think that my great aunt Ray/Rachel may have had Chasha as a middle name in Hebrew and been called that as a child. No one around now to ask. Harvey Kaplan
On Sun, 1 Nov 2020 at 00:40, Jules Feldman <jfeldman@...> wrote: There is a Hebrew name Chasha which exists among the ultra-Orthodox in
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rv Kaplan
Thanks, but nothing to suggest any Dutch connection - just coincidence.
Harvey Kaplan
On Sun, 1 Nov 2020 at 07:57, David Barrett <david@...> wrote:
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Marcel Apsel
Never heard that name before and I am Dutch speaking. But in the Netherlands you find sometimes names based on very local traditions. I can learn every day.
Marcel Apsel Antwerpen, Belgium
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rv Kaplan
Thanks Marcel - could be - and yes, I remember you from Warsaw!
Harvey Kaplan
On Sun, 1 Nov 2020 at 00:40, Marcel Apsel <marcap@...> wrote:
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ryabinkym@...
It most possible is a Hashe (Khashe). In Russian language they used so called "Diminutive" form: Hashele, Moishele, Sorele, most for a little baby or saying with love.
Michael Ryabinky
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rv Kaplan
I know about immigrants having a number of first names, potentially. My great great grandfather from Josvainiai, Lithuania was Tzvi ben Yisroel Fayn. In the 1874 Revision List for Josvainiai, he is listed as Girsh, which is really Hirsch (diminutive is Herschel). In Scotland, he became Harry. Writing in a letter, he is speaking about his granddaughter in Glasgow - and at that time he only had 2 local granddaughters, Ray and Dora - both born in Glasgow. Chana is not a name I have seen in this family, but it's possible Ray or Dora had Chana or Chasha as a middle name and that's what he called her. What's strange is that no one else has ever mentioned that name and no document I have seen mentions a middle name. Harvey Kaplan Glasgow, Scotland
On Sun, 1 Nov 2020 at 11:34, Marcel Apsel <marcap@...> wrote:
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Cheryl Lynn Blum
My great-aunt, (by marriage to my great-uncle - and what a thrill it was to find them after thinking they had died in the Shoah) was named Chasye. The diminutive would have been Chaseleh.
They came from Bystritsa in Vilna (Lithuania/Belarus).
Cheryl Lynn Blum
New York.
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Leya Aronson
Hi, Chasha is a Yiddish name. The addition of le at the end is a a diminutive of little---and this often seems to stick even with age. We have several
named Chasha in our family. Leya Aronson, Toronto, Canada
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