Hi, I apologize for asking an unsophisticated question. Trying to get the hang of this.

I'm looking at the Przensyl State Archive Fond 154 scan for Zurawno, Jewish Marriages. 1901.
I find on scan 6 Drucker Gicie 1901 Blatt 83 Postzahl 13. And above her name something that looks like Tom III

I find on scan 7 Ellner Szulem Shlomo, Blatt 83 Postzahl 13, also 1901.
So have I found  the marriage of my putative great uncle Schulem Ellner and his wife Gittel/Gussie Drucker? 
Is that a logical assumption?

I have the names confirmed and to the best of my knowledge their first child was born in Zurawno in 1902.
If not, can the blatt and postzahl information be helpful in any way?

Thank you!

Wendy Griswold

Pittsfield MA

Searching BLITZ/ PFEIFFER/FEIFER / ELLNER - Zurawno, Stryy, Bolechow, Stanislawow

WENZELBERG (any spelling), EINHORN, SHIFULDREM - Nowy Sacz area

DWASS (changed to DAVIS), GARFINKEL - area of Ekaterinoslaw (now Dniepro) and possibly Vitebsk

 

That seems to be a logical conclusion. Yes. 
I'm glad our Identification Project was able to help you in your research.
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Steven Turner
President, Gesher Galicia

Wendy Griswold asked about two people she had found listed on the All Galicia Database from the Żurawno Jewish marriages index book of 1901-1936 (held in the Przemyśl State Archive, Fond 154, Series 66, File 2), and whether she was right in thinking that the two people were the groom and bride in a marriage.

She is indeed right about this. The entries are given as:
Gicia DRUCKER; year of marriage: 1901; page (Blatt) in original record book: 83; record number (Postzahl): 13
and
Szulem Salomo ELLNER; year of marriage: 1901; page (Blatt) in original record book: 83; record number (Postzahl): 13

No marriage registers have survived from Żurawno, and nor have any death registers. It is very useful, therefore, to have two index books of Jewish marriages from the town, one covering the period 1841-1876 and the other, the one we are discussing, for 1901-1936.

Wendy asked whether knowledge of the record number and page number in the original marriage register could be useful. If the original register had survived, these number would certainly be helpful. In such a case, you could go to the original book and check on page 83, record 13 to find out more about Gicia DRUCKER and Szulem ELLNER, such as their dates and places of birth and the names of their parents. Unfortunately, that is not the case here.

Incidentally, the volume number (Tom) of the original marriages book is given as [Roman] number III. That would have been the number used at the time of the book (and not a modern archival number).

As it happens, Gesher Galicia has already planned for later this year to update the two Żurawno marriages index books on the All Galicia Database. The main purpose of this update, apart from some small corrections, is to present results of searches from these marriage index books so that the groom and bride are shown in a single result. In that way, Gicia DRUCKER and Szulem Salomo ELLNER will appear together in a search result, rather than separately as is the case now. Of course, even without this update, the scans of the index book are available on the All Galicia Database, for Gesher Galicia members who are logged into the site to view. Using these scans, it is possible - as Wendy has shown - to find matching pairs of grooms and brides, by comparing page and record numbers from the original marriages register.


Tony Kahane
Research Coordinator, Gesher Galicia

A correction to a sentence I wrote in my earlier message on this thread. I had written:

"Of course, even without this update, the scans of the index book are available on the All Galicia Database, for Gesher Galicia members who are logged into the site to view."

The scans of the book (the Żurawno marriage index book 1901-1936) are not on the All Galicia Database, but instead are available - for Gesher Galicia members only - as link from our online inventory, which is at: www.geshergalicia.org/inventory/ .

Tony Kahane
Research Coordinator, Gesher Galicia

I always find it easy to remember the meaning of "tom" by thinking of the English word "tome".

TOME Synonyms: 14 Synonyms & Antonyms for TOME | Thesaurus.com
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Odeda Zlotnick
Jerusalem, Israel.