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Help with dates from 1800s Russia/Poland #general


Trudy Barch
 

I have been looking on the internet this afternoon and not finding Russian/Polish dates to compare with American dates

 

What I have figured so far (just using hopeful common sense).  

 

Abram & Mejta  were born in the 1820s - 1830s in Russia/Poland.

They were married by 1846 because their eldest known child was born in 1847 in Russia.

 

On a piece of paper that I found next to her name is 2699 and next to his name is 2695.

 

Could they be birth years?   Death years?    Hebrew date year?   Russian/Polish date year?   

 

Any help will be appreciated

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Thank you,   Trudy Barch,   Florida

 


ewkent@...
 

Dear Trudy Barch (or Trudy):

I hope that someone yet-more-experienced with genealogy than I am will respond to your query, but I will say/ask:

I) If Abram and Mejta were born in and lived in what we consider the 19th century,

1) The numbers "2699" and "2695" could not possibly be years from the Jewish calendar (the Jewish year would be 3760 plus the Gregorian calendar year after December of the Jewish year -- so the Jewish year would have to be beyond 5500 in the 19th century);

2) while the Russian Empire did not use the Gregorian calendar (it was adopted by the Soviet Union until after the 2nd Russian Revolution of 1917 which brought it into power in the former Empire), I (myself) doubt that calendar years there could have been hundreds of years "off" from the "Common Era" (to Christians, "Anno Domini") which we use (the Wikipedia article on "Anno Domini" seems to say that the Russian Empire adopted the "Anno Domini" numbers for years in 1700).

II) I strongly suspect that what you have are record numbers for Abram and Mejta from either a document or an index -- which leads me to the questions:

III) What is the "piece of paper that" you "found" with these numbers on it, and (if possible) could you describe it and/or post to this thread a scan of what you have seen??

Good Luck with your query.

Sincerely,

Ethan Kent (in New York City).


Stephen Weinstein
 

On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 07:20 PM, Trudy Barch wrote:

On a piece of paper that I found next to her name is 2699 and next to his name is 2695.

 

Could they be birth years?   Death years?    Hebrew date year?   Russian/Polish date year?   

Poland, as a Roman Catholic country, would have been using the same calendar since the late 1500s as what is now the U.S. has been using since the mid-1700s.  The years 2699 and 2695 are not until almost 700 years into the future on that calendar.

Russia used a slightly different calendar, but the difference was less than two weeks, so the years 2699 and 2695 are not until almost 700 years into the future on that calendar either.

On the Hebrew calendar, the current year is 5781, so 2699 and 2695 were over 3000 years ago.  I do not believe that you found records of Jews in Russia/Poland that were that old.

The current Islamic (Muslim) year is 1442, so 2699 and 2695 are over 1000 years into the future.

I haven't checked the Chinese calendar, but agree with Ethan that these numbers are not years.

Stephen Weinstein
stephenweinstein@...
Camarillo, CA, USA


aandbcohen@...
 

How about death dates? 
2699 could be 2nd June 1899 or 6th February 1899 depending on whether you use European or American configuration; similarly with the 2695 being an 1895 date. Both are possible for people born in the 1820-30 period.

Alan Cohen
Northwood, London, UK


ewkent@...
 

Reply to Alan Cohen:


I think that "2699" would only be "2nd June 1899" if there was punctuation between the month, day, and year parts of the date... -- and if dates were written as in today's UK (as opposed to today's US -- where the 2nd of June of 1899 would be "June 2, 1899" or "6/2/1899" or  (perhaps -- during the 19th century) "6/2/99".

(It would also be an unusual coincidence (although not nearly impossible) for the (I assume couple) to have died 4 years apart on the asme date of the Gregorian calendar (June 2nd). )

I believe that it would be helpful if Ms. Barch (in the US State of Florida) could at least explain what else (besides the names and the numbers) was on the "piece of paper" where the names of Abram and of Mejta -- and the numbers "2696" and "2699" were found (Was this an official document (if so, from which government, and for what purpose?) ? What other information was in the document other than these 2 persons' names and the 2 numbers? Was anyone else listed on the "piece of paper? Was this a census, or passenger manifest, or some other kind of list?? (Or does/did the "piece of paper" just contain the 2 names and numbers? (If it is possible to know:) Who created the document? Are the names and numbers printed, stamped, or handwritten?) -- to have clues as to the context of the numbers, and (better; if possible) if Ms. Barch could somehow scan (and enable others to view online) the part of the "piece of paper" on which the 2 names and the 2 numbers were found.

I do hope that more information about the "piece of paper" can be shared -- because otherwise, stating what the 2 numbers signified would probably only be guesswork -- I think.

Good Luck to Ms. Barch.

Ethan W. Kent (in New York City)
ewkent@...