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Ilya, a very preliminary comment -- the files often have multiple years, so I'd suggest avoiding that as the first part of the name.

But more basically, why should all the files be renamed? When Alex Kravkovsky or other folks upload to Wikipedia, they name the files already, usually in a certain manner but not always. They are uploaded often to 2 spots, I don't know why, so for instance that file you are talking about can be found at both: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:1831_год._Списки_лиц_умерших_от_эпидемии_холеры_по_Богуславскому_уезду.pdf
as well as at
https://uk.wikisource.org/wiki/Файл:1831_год._Списки_лиц_умерших_от_эпидемии_холеры_по_Богуславскому_уезду.pdf

And more importantly, where is this list of files you want supposed to be? On Wikipedia? (in which case you can do it, anybody can contribute) On JewishGen?

Somebody (Wikipedia user name Madvin usually??) is adding place info to these files in Wikipedia, & besides the main "Shtetl" page where you can see Jewish files, & the individual archive pages (start at https://uk.wikisource.org/wiki/Архіви then choose your archive such as DAKO), there are geographical pages (see the green box on right side of the screen on the main archive page, with the middle linking to "geo" https://uk.wikisource.org/wiki/Архіви/Гео). Slowly but surely places are being linked to documents, but it's *very* incomplete.

If it's on the JewishGen site, it has to be in some sort of database form that is dynamic to reflect the constant updates, all that is to be discussed with the folks there, but I wanted to reply to your mail.

regards,
Juliana Berland

On 10/3/2020 14:52, Ilya Zeldes wrote:
Gary,
 
sure, there is no way to sort all of Alex K's postings in chronological order, but if you will organize and use an established naming convention for all posts, it will facilitate the search and use of files. The keywords are "naming convention". The names of all files could be in this format:
Year>DAKO XXX-XX-XXXX>Name of the file. 
So, for example,  the file "Списки загиблих від холери по Богуславському повіту. 1831 // ДАКО. Ф. 280. Оп. 174. Спр. 1488" will be listed as
"1831 SAKO 280-174-1488 Списки загиблих від холери по Богуславському повіту."  (DAKO, GAKO, ДАКО, ГАКО - all stand for the State Archive of the Kiev Oblast -SAKO).
 
Regards, 
 

 
Ilya Zeldes
North Fort Myers, FL

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Juliana Berland (France)

/// Russia/Ukraine: BENIN / BERLAND Czernigow; Romny, Poltava > (Paris>) Chicago AMBURG / BERKOWITZ / EPSTEIN Odessa, Kherson, Poltava > (Paris >) Buffalo NY; Chicago GELBURD / GAYLBURD / GOLDBERG / GILBERT Vinnitsya; Nemyriv; Priluki Staraya; Podolia gub. > Philadelphia; Atlantic City; Milwaukee /// Galicia/Poland/Ukraine: BADER Felsztyn (Skelivka) > Philadelphia BADIAN Komarno? FELDMA(N)N Wolanka / Boryslaw > Philadelphia FREIDENHEIM Stryj, Drohobycz, etc. GERTLER Komarno, Wolanka, Stryj, Drohobycz, etc. WEINER/WIENER ? /// Germany: ADELSDORFER  BÄR / BAER Buttenhausen > mid-W US, esp. near Vandenburgh Co, IN. EPSTEI(N)N Röhrenfurth/Melsungen, Sachsenhausen, Guxhagen > Luxembourg; Amsterdam; MW US, esp. near Vandenburgh Co, IN HAUSSMAN Heidenheim? ISAAK Fellheim? MEYER Hannover > Aurora, IN. MOSES Gotte(rs?n?)heim, Sachsenhausen, Röhrenfurth. ROSENSTEIN Stuttgart; Elberfeld? > Philadelphia, Lancaster, PA.

 


Ilya Zeldes
 

Juliana,

my comments were directed to Gary Pokrass who told me that the Ukrainian SIG is working on organizing Alex K's files. But I'd like to answer your concerns.

"the files often have multiple years, so I'd suggest avoiding that as the first part of the name"
                 I see no major problem here. Why "1832 - 1897" could not be used after the entry "1831"? Placing it here will anchor it to the early part of the file. In addition, all the multi-years files could be gathered in a separate group. Placing the year, in the beginning, will organize all files chronologically, which is very helpful in searches.

"Why should all the files be renamed? "
                Are these two files the same or they are two different files: Архіви/ДАКО/280/174/1488  and 1831_год._Списки_лиц_умерших_от_эпидемии_холеры_по_Богуславскому_уезду.pdf  Until they renamed uniformly it's hard to find out.

"that file you are talking about can be found at both"
            More than twice... For example, it is also at https://uk.wikisource.org/wiki/%D0%90%D1%80%D1%85%D1%96%D0%B2%D0%B8/%D0%94%D0%90%D0%9A%D0%9E/280/174/1488 

"And more importantly, where is this list of files you want supposed to be? On Wikipedia? (in which case you can do it, anybody can contribute) On JewishGen?"
              It is my understanding that Gary is doing it within JewishGen. Moreover, I may add that we select only Jewish files for organizing.

"If it's on the JewishGen site, it has to be in some sort of database form that is dynamic to reflect the constant updates, all that is to be discussed with the folks there, but I wanted to reply to your mail."
             I agree with you completely. That what I was doing when I discussed this with Gary...

Warm regards,

Ilya Zeldes