How to obtain Lodz cemetery photo #lodz


Frank Szmulowicz
 

Lodz Cemetery

GRYNBERG

Henryk

Section: 9)14 Row: 8 Grave: 67 Side: L

   

05-Aug-1940

1

   

Register Page #: 242 Image #: P1020258.JPG

 
How can I get a picture of this grave?
Frank Szmulowicz


David Brostoff
 

On Jan 17, 2022, at 8:56 AM, Frank Szmulowicz <FrankSzmulowicz@...> wrote:

How can I get a picture of this grave?
Find a Grave <https://www.findagrave.com> has volunteers all over the world.

David Brostoff


Bernard Flam
 

Hi from Paris,
Dear Franck,
I am sorry to tell that perhaps you will not get a picture of Henryk's grave.
Lodz' s ghetto was closed ca March / April 1940 and the cemetery was included in the ghetto boundaries.
When persons died in the ghetto, as my GGF Abe Nusen Kronenberg, they were buried in what is called now "ghetto fields".
As tombstones were no longer "available" during this period, graves were only marked with a small iron pole holding a plate for identification.
Shortly after end of Shoah, these poles disappeared...
Some originals can been seen in Yad Vashem, in room dedicated to Lodz ghetto.
I attach a picture of a re-installation of these poles, but unfortunately not in real place of graves.
The good news are Lodz's cemetery has been preserved till today and a large part is cleaned from vegetation years after years by volunteers : so former graves can be accessed, as I show with my own pictures.
Khavershaft
Bernard Flam 
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families Zysman, Kronenberg, Rottersman of Lodz


Frank Szmulowicz
 

Thank you, Bernard. I have contacted the cemetery by e-mail and am awaiting their response. Thank you for explaining to me what I may expect as an answer.
I would be very happy to know that there is any vestige of the grave of any of my ancestors anywhere.

Frank Szmulowicz


deborah.shindell@...
 

I have the same question about one of my relatives.
There is a website for the Lodz cemetery, that appears to have shown its photos via the Flash app
Now that Flash is no longer a functioning app, that part of the website is broken when you try to click on the listing for a person.
I would suspect that the .jpg image referred to is a current photo of the tombstone, but the website can no longer display these images properly.

Someone related to the cemetery and its website should be able to find and email to you the pertinent .jpg photo.
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Shelley Mitchell
 

When I wanted a copy of my great grandfather’s grave in Radautz, I was informed that the grave was intact but the Matzevah was destroyed. I hope you have better luck. 


Shelley Mitchell, NYC


S. Cohen
 

By information I received: some decades after the Holocaust, matzevos were placed at graves in Ghetto Field, each with the name of the person buried there. It may be that the Germans kept a written record of burials and that the matzevos were placed accordingly. Would anyone know anything about this? 

Sheindle Cohen (New York)


S. Cohen
 

In addition to my earlier message: I refer to a section of Ghetto Field which is seemingly other than the section photographed by Bernard Flam, since there are matzevos there, including one for my grandfather. 

Sheindle Cohen (New York)


Lynda Kraar
 

 A few years ago I met Magda Komarzeniec who was the director of the new Museum of the City of Lodz. If you have not yet done so, I'd suggest that you reach her to see if she has the info that you seek. If not, she will probably know who to contact.
 
Director of the Museum of the City of Łódź
Magda Komarzeniec
You can also take a look at this academic article.  Go to the Model of Litzmannstadt-Ghetto.
 
Hope this helps!
 
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Miriam Bulwar David-Hay
 

Frank,

I would like to add to and clarify some of the replies you have received, as well as offer some more information. I have many ancestors and relatives buried in the Lodz Jewish cemetery and I have been there twice, in 2016 and in 2019, and have explored the cemetery at length.

Firstly, you have already done the most logical thing by writing to the Jewish community which looks after the cemetery. They do searches for gravesites on request and will probably send you a photo of the site. Please be aware that they are likely to charge a fee for this.

Find-a-Grave, mentioned earlier, as far as I know has next to nothing from Poland. Also, the .jpg reference mentioned earlier is not a picture of the gravesite but of the gravesite's listing in the burial records. The cemetery's website has general pictures in which individual tombstones can be seen, but unfortunately it does not have photos linked to names. In addition, the Museum of the City of Lodz mentioned earlier, while interesting in itself, does not have information about the burials in the Jewish cemetery. So those sources will not be of use to you. Finally, the Germans did not keep records of the burials in the ghetto field or the cemetery in general during the war or at any other time, the Jewish community kept and still keeps the burial records from there.

You may be interested to know that there are approximately 60,000 surviving individual burial cards (out of about 180,000 burials) that the Jewish community has in its offices, which are currently being digitized in a project with the Polish archives. These burial cards can be little treasure troves of information, as they state not only the deceased's name, age, sometimes the father's name, date of death, date of burial, and gravesite, but they also often state the address from which the deceased was brought to burial, so you can learn where your relative was when he or she died. If interested, you could inquire from the community if they have the burial card for your relative.

Back to the cemetery. As Bernard correctly wrote, those who died inside the ghetto, some 43,500-45,000 people, were usually buried in the so-called ghetto field. They were buried in individual, measured plots, but they had no matzevot or signs on them. Since the war, some of the graves in the ghetto field have been marked with plaques in a project done (I believe with the Israeli army) some years ago, but most have not. Also, some of the graves have received actual matzevot since the war, usually placed by surviving relatives. That was the case with my own great-grandfather, Szmul Aron Bulwar z"l, who died in the ghetto in January 1941. Below I am inserting a photo in which you can see my great-grandfather's grave, with here and there in the field other matzevot placed since the war poking up through the grass. But as you can see most graves do not have any kind of marking on them.

A number of people who died inside the ghetto were not buried in the ghetto field but in the older part of the cemetery, which had matzevot. Such people would not have had any matzevah of their own, but would have been buried under or next to the matzevah of the relative who was earlier buried there. This is worth keeping in mind too when searching for relatives' burial sites.

As is well known, the Jewish community was decimated in the Holocaust and after the war most of the survivors left Poland, so the cemetery fell into disrepair and neglect. In the older (pre-war) part of the cemetery, many matzevot have deteriorated and become illegible and/or broken, and vegetation and even large trees have grown up through the graves, completely destroying matzevot. Some have also fallen prey to human vandalism. Despite this, many matzevot, especially in the central area around the main paths, do still stand and are legible and in surprisingly good condition. It must be said that efforts have been made in recent years to clean up and maintain the cemetery, including by Polish volunteers who deserve commending for their work there.

I hope the above information assists you, and I wish you luck in your efforts to obtain a photo. Below I am inserting various photos from the cemetery, taken on my visit there in 2019, so that you can see the conditions. I have including the one mentioned above of my great-grandfather's grave in the ghetto field, and another one in the older part of the cemetery of the matzevah of his father, my great-great-grandfather, Chaim Leib Bulwar z"l, who died in 1921.

All the best,

Miriam Bulwar David-Hay,

Raanana, Israel.

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Moishe Miller
 

Hello,

For those searching Lodz, there is also an excellent book that covers many names, dates and tombstone inscriptions from the earlier Lodz cemetery. Read about the early cemetery here: https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stary_cmentarz_%C5%BCydowski_w_%C5%81odzi (if you open in Chrome, right click on the page to translate the WIKI to English).

To see the actual book, all 256 pages, you can go to
http://bc.wimbp.lodz.pl/Content/75562/Stary_Cmentarz_Zydowski_w_Lodzi_1938a.pdf

If you find a page of interest, you can type the Polish or Hebrew into
translate.google.com
to understand the text.

For instance, I wanted to  understand the 5-line entry on page numbered 212, #673 (image 16 of 256). I typed it all into Google Translate
 
#673. zamozny kupiec przedzy bawelniane przybyl do lodz
prawdopodobnie okolo 1850 r. z Czestochowy. W Lodz nalezal
Sand do grup maskilow, skupiajacych sie dookola zalozonego
przez Zajdemana domu modlilwy dla postepowcow. Z.
Zajdemanem (v. nr. 116) byl Zand skoligacony przez syna swego
Moryca, Z. (v. nr. 2195 i 853).

and Google translated

# 673. a wealthy merchant of cotton yarn came to Łódź probably
around 1850 from Czestochowa. In Lodz, Sand belonged to a group
of maskils, gathered around the house founded by Zajdeman,
praying for the progressives. Z. Zajdeman (v. No. 116) was Zand
connected by his son Moryc, Z. (v. No. 2195 and 853).

Stay safe,
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Bernard Flam
 

Hi from Paris,
Concerning persons who had been buried during Shoah in Lodz' cemetery ghetto fields, I attach my picture of the original identification poles / plates of graves.
These original poles / plates are displayed in Yad Vashem Lodz' ghetto room.
Bernard Flam


Brian Kerr
 

Though I do like and use Find-A-Grave, but I've been able to locate Headstone Photos in BillionGraves that's not in Find-A-Grave (and vice versa).

The following link is to a list of Cemeteries in Poland that may (hopefully) be helpful in locating what you need.

https://billiongraves.com/site-map?country=Poland

On occasion, I've also reached out by email/phone to Cemeteries that were more than happy to provide information like a photo, but always keep in mind that there may be Records pertaining to a Burial without a specific location and/or Headstone (depending upon the circumstances).

I do wish you the best of luck! :-))


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