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I Want My Trees To Outlive Me #general


rebasolomon
 

I’m looking for an online website that will host my trees for free. I want others to be able to view and use my data and sources, but not to change them.  I want my work to remain intact after I’m gone.

I’d like your opinion of settling on FamilySearch.org, using the above criteria. I’ve already considered JewishGen, Genie, Ancestry and self-publishing. I can export my work from Legacy into a gedcom file. 
Thanks in advance for your opinions. 

Reba Harris Solomon, New York

CHARAS-Tyrawa Woloska, Poland
ZALCMAN, SOLOMON-Nasielsk, Poland
METZGER, KESSELMAN-Ustrzykie Dolne, Poland-Nove Misto, Ukraine - Mostyska, Ukraine
SHRINER-Volochysk, Ukraine
LESANSKI-Berdychiv, Ukraine



JPmiaou@...
 

Archiving your file in the Genealogies section of FamilySearch is a good option, I think: your work will be freely searchable and available, with no ads or paywalls, but nobody will be able to change anything. (Not even you, except by deleting the file and uploading a new one.)

The only drawback I can see is the general confusion that's prevalent about what FamilySearch really is or what it does. There are people out there who apparently honestly believe that Historical Records on FS is a different entity than the Family Tree on FS; they create different logins for the two, and are surprised when they use the wrong login and can't see themselves in Tree. The other extreme also occurs: many people discount everything FamilySearch -- even images of historical records -- because of errors they've encountered on the Tree or in indexes. There is also widespread ignorance of the collaborative nature of FS's tree, and the separateness of the Genealogies section, and lots of misinformation about how all this relates to the LDS church or to for-profit organizations like Ancestry.

It has been a few years since I used FS's upload, so I don't know if this still applies, but you should make sure _not_ to procede to the "import into Tree" part of the upload process. It's ancient code, badly broken and badly presented; I hope they've gotten rid of it, but things like this move Verrry Slowwwly at FS. (As I recall, the process made it much too easy to accidentally create duplicate profiles and/or override years of research with a single unintentional click; it didn't show everything I needed to make sane judgements, and was misleading about what my actions would actually do.)

Julia
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Michael McTeer
 

Sorry, I do not have an option to offer, BUT I do not believe FamilySearch.org is  NOT a choice option. Once posted you really lose control even to delete. Believe the basic rule is that if another user makes a change or post a records link that record becomes not eligible for deletion. FamilySearch.org is great for seeking records though and should be used for research though they had added so-called "public records" (USA) which needless adds too many 'records' to a search. Michael McTeer, Crowley, Texas


Max Heffler
 

Wikitree would be another option

Max Heffler

 

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Sorry, I do not have an option to offer, BUT I do not believe FamilySearch.org is  NOT a choice option. Once posted you really lose control even to delete. Believe the basic rule is that if another user makes a change or post a records link that record becomes not eligible for deletion. FamilySearch.org is great for seeking records though and should be used for research though they had added so-called "public records" (USA) which needless adds too many 'records' to a search. Michael McTeer, Crowley, Texas

 


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hennynow
 

I would suggest, if any of your relatives perished in the Holocaust, that your family tree would be welcomed by Yad VaShem in Jerusalem, Israel.  I have visited there over the past many years; they are intent on gathering all possible data on the Jews who lost their lives so tragically during the Nazis' heydays in Europe.

It's a beautiful place and you will find it a most appropriate site for your family's tragic data.

Cordially,

Henny Moëd Roth
JewishGen researcher #19122


Ellen
 

What is Wikitree?  I've come across once or twice but wasn't really sure what it is and how it works.

I am also interested in the question originally posted.  I've done so much research over the years and would hate for all of it to be lost after I'm gone.  I don't have children to pass it on to, but my cousins and (more likely) their children and grandchildren may be interested in the future.

Ellen
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Researching WEISSMAN/VAYSMAN (Ostropol, Ukraine); MOROZ and ESTRIN/ESTERKIN (Shklov & Bykhov, Belarus); LESSER/LESZEROVITZ, MAIMAN, and BARNETT/BEINHART/BERNHART (Lithuania/Latvia); and ROSENSWEIG/ROSENZWEIG, KIRSCHEN, and SCHWARTZ (Botosani, Romania)


rebasolomon
 

Thank you as I had not looked into Wikitree. Now at first look it seems to be a collaborative tree, like Genie and I’m looking more for a searchable archive that will remain intact. 

Reba Harris Solomon


rebasolomon
 

I will look into this. I have contributed to Yad Vashem but did not know they archived genealogies. Thank you. 

Reba Harris Solomon


Christine Hills
 

I have had my tree on WikiTree since 2014 and find it excellent.  It is entirely free and is a worldwide collaborative tree. The profiles will never be deleted.  The only drawback I can see re. what you are looking for is that other people can edit your open profiles, that is those which relate to a person born over 100 years ago, unless that person is alive.  There is one profile for one person, so if people share an ancestor they share the profile.  However all entered data is saved, so you can find your own edit and reuse it. I have never had a problem with shared profiles, on the rare occasions someone has added anything it has always been helpful.  You might like to take a look at  https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Help:About_WikiTree for more information.
Best wishes,
Christine Hills Dublin Ireland


JPmiaou@...
 

Michael McTeer: FS has multiple parts. You're talking about the collaborative tree. I'm talking about the Genealogies section, which is an archive that anyone can look through but nobody can change, except that the original contributor can delete an uploaded file at any time (and/or upload a different one).

Geni and WikiTree are the other major players in the collaborative tree concept. They're no more suited to unchangeable archiving than FamilySearch's tree.

Julia
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mamabirdlouise@...
 

Beit HaTfutsot in Tel Aviv is another option  https://www.bh.org.il/databases/jewish-genealogy/
They collect digital genealogies in their Goldman genealogy section.
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Louise Goldstein

 


Peter Cohen
 

I am a firm believer in written records. I do not expect any online company to exist 20 or 30 years from now. And even while they exits, the odds are that they would purge data that had not been changed after some number of years. Creating a CD, DVD or USB drive to store the data won't help if the devices that read them are replaced by something else later on.  But, if you have a book that details the work you have done, when your heirs clean out your house (hopefully years from now), they will know it is that they have in their hands.  This is not to say that you should not also keep your work online or in some digital format. But, as someone who has spent 30 years in technology, I am warning that digital storage changes frequently. Floppy disks and various forms of tape are very hard to read today and there is no reason to think today's storage methods are any more enduring.

Peter Cohen


Jocelyn Keene
 

I also want my tree to survive me.  I have been putting copies of it at different places.  My main and up-to-date tree is at Ancestry, because that is where I find most of my documentation.  I also have copies at MyHeritage and FindMyPast and other places as well.  I currently have memberships at those companies but even if I stop paying, I believe the data will be kept for others to use. Is there a particular reason you rejected Ancestry as an option?  I have avoided putting anything at Family Search because of the baptism issue. I have also avoided collaborative family trees because at one time (decades ago) the Ancestry tree was like that and it was horrible.  People continually messed up my tree.
Jocelyn Keene
Pasadena, California


Max Heffler
 

I also left a hard-bound book version at the genealogical branch of our Houston Public Library, but it likely 10 years or so out of date.

 

Max Heffler

Houston, TX

 

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David Mason
 

CDs and DVDs may be the best digital media.  CDs have been used for data for about 30 years, with no incompatibilities with contemporary technology.  This said, there are differences in the raw media.  Some are more archival than others.  Research before you leap!  And if we ever reach a point where the technology has left CDs behind, at least save a compatible drive or two; better an entire system.

 

I certainly would not expect any magnetic media to last more than a decade, while many of us have had flash drives become unusable, well “in a flash”.

 

David Mson


Marcel Apsel
 

Peter I completely agree with you.  I collect records of people on FamilyTreeMaker in digital version and a printed paper version.  Parallel I also keep filing the same records the old way, simply by classifying them by hand and have it simply printed alphabetically in a word processor.  The printed copies might probably survive, the digital copies only if my children want to keep them with the right program if it still exists, or not throw them away by mistake.  My late sister had it still on classical 3.5 inch floppy disks (luckily I copied them on time on a removable hard disk before I had to get rid of that too old fashioned computer who was able to read those floppy disks).  Try to find today an old 3.5 floppy disk reader (maybe in computer museums). I am afraid that digital copies might disappear on the long run.  Nobody will be able to say that this won’t happen, neither geni, ancestry, wikitree and other genealogical family tree keepers.

 

Marcel Apsel

Antwerpen, Belgium


rebasolomon
 

Thank you Julia, for this new and interesting option. I have looked on the desktop (full) version of familysearch.org and can not find this area. They have something called “memories” but I still don’t see where or how to submit a genealogy. That area seems to work with the usual collaborative trees in the main section. If you ever have a moment to explore, I’d really appreciate a specific path to follow. 
Thanks again-
Reba Harris Solomon, New York


rebasolomon
 

I rejected Ancestry because I won’t be able to pay after I’m gone.🤣. I also don’t want family to be required to pay to see the sources. Also because of the many complaints about unwanted collaborations. It’s been valuable as a resource but it’s not my long term solution. Thanks for your vuable input. 

Reba Harris Solomon


rebasolomon
 

Thank you, Louise. I did not know they were trying this again. I’ve started exploring their website, and sent them a couple of questions.        Reba Harris Solomon


Sarah L Meyer
 

I also want my trees to outlive me, both my Jewish one or ones and my husband's non-Jewish ones.  I am planning on at least one book for his tree and possibly one for mine.  I do however have my own website - and the wayback machine should archive it.   I do pay for hosting, but a google search will turn up free hosting.   My site uses TNG and that is a one time charge for the software that is installed on the server.  Another option is to do a free trial of Ancestry.com and upload your trees there.  They will not be changed.
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Sarah L Meyer
Georgetown TX
ANK(I)ER, BIGOS, KARMELEK, PERLSTADT, STOKFISZ, SZPIL(T)BAUM, Poland
BIRGARDOVSKY, EDELBERG, HITE (CHAIT), PERCHIK Russia (southern Ukraine) and some Latvia or Lithuania
https://www.sarahsgenies.com