Jews employed by the Czars #russia
Deanna Levinsky <DEANNASMAC@...>
I've recently seen several references (on JewishGen) to Jews employed by the Czar. Considering the general distain Russians exhibited (and still exhibit) towards Jewish people, was this a reality?
-- Deanna M. Levinsky, Long Island, NY
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segslusky@...
Yes, my son in law’s family (GERSHKOVITZ Kerch, Crimea) has a story that their ancestor designed a bathtub for the czar’s railroad car that reduced water sloshing out. But this sounds so unlikely GRABER, HUF, MYSZKET, BARK Lublin Province
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Kenneth Ryesky
Deanna, I wondered about that.
Family lore has it that my g-g-g-gm's family made hats for the Czar.
-- Ken Ryesky
Petach Tikva, ISRAEL
-- Ken Ryesky, Petach Tikva, Israel kenneth.ryesky@...
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@murfisto
My maternal grandfather was employed by Czar Nickolas as a beaurocrat in his village of Yurovichi in Belarus with responsibilities including postmaster and director of official documents and his family owned the means of moving cargo and passengers within his geographical area. He was able to permit HIMSELF to leave his home in 1914 to travel to a nearby city large enough to have a teaching program to make him a shochet and a butcher in order to bring a useful skill in his emigration to America. He returned home 4 years later to bring his immediate family to New Jersey where he had established himself with a house for them. There are many interesting tales of what occurred during those 4 years but those will only be told on demand.
Murray Stollman, St Pete Beach, FL
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Laurence Posner
My wife’s grandfather from Latvia told the family that he had been a watch repairer in the Czar’s army. He continued that trade in America. He also said Russian soldiers taught him to fish and hunt which he also did. I can’t vouch for the truth of this though one cousin is said to have some type of certificate attesting to his service in the Czar’s army. That’s the family lore.
Larry Posner, Salem MA researching LISAK, TUREK, RESNICK, GURNEY, POZNANSKY Laurence Posner
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My grandfather was employed - though not voluntarily - by the czar´s (Alexander III?) army like many other Russian Jews. Finished then his service late 1800´ within the borders of then the Grand Duchy of Finland and was given the right to settle where the service ended.
Roni Keini, Helsinki, Finland
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luc.radu@...
I take that by "employed by the Czar" you mean DIRECTLY employed. There are such cases but all those Jews were practicing the Russian Orthodox faith.
Luc Radu Great Neck, NY
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David Barrett
Interesting
Last week we were informed that he had a Jewish dentist [ Shneyer] and I grew up with a story from my mother that the family in Berdichev, Ukraine had a relative who was in the Czars retinue On line I have come into contact with ? a DNA relative Scott Schwarzberg [ my heritage] who informed me that a since deceased relation was the Czars treasurer - so I assumed maybe this was the person of whom my mother was referring to. However another of my my DNA connections also relates to a family SCHNIER so maybe it was the dentist! However according to Google --Sergei Kostritsky was his dentist but no DNA correlation Who knows ? If only we could find a definitive list of those who worked for the Czar. I would be grateful for any further info David Barrett
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YaleZuss@...
One of my ancestral families has a narrative that its surname was created for them as part of a reward for a great service a remote ancestor did for the tsarina. Apparently, she took ill while traveling in his area of Lithuania, he took her in, got a doctor, and cared for her.
The reward included rights to a forest's lumber, and I have confirmation from many cousins that these ancestors ran a lumber mill. I spoke with a direct descendant of the individual who did this deed (my ancestor appears to have been a brother) and she described the house where she grew up, a structure that would be a mansion even today. Some cousins have visited the site of the sawmill, which is now nothing more than a bend in a road.
There is disagreement on when this event took place -- not a good sign for its authenticity -- with the two candidates c.1810 and c.1840; different individuals with the given name from the narrative would have been the right age at these times.
If there is any paperwork confirming it, it hasn't turned up. I'm not even sure what to look for or where to look. The significance of such a document is that it would presumably include the surname this family used before the new one was created for them, and is thus the key to connecting further back than I already have, to c.1800. Any ideas?
Yale Zussman
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Jules Levin
The story in general can be true. There is no doubt that a personal
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contact by a Jew with nobility could yield rewards. For example, the sculptor Antakolsky (he did the iconic statue of Peter the Great in the Hermitage) was in an art class in Kovno when a princess visited and saw his work. Since he would not convert, he became the first unbaptized Jew admitted to the Royal Academy in St. Petersburg, thanks to the princess's patronage. Another example is personal. My greatgrandfather had a military supply store (!) on Kronshtadt. a restricted naval base, selling authorized supplies: uniforms, accouterments including swords and daggers, etc. (I know it from his ads in the Kronshtatskij Vestnik, not from family legends.) He owned a second store in Viipuri (Vyburg). They were rich--all the children were educated by tutors. It is impossible that he had all that without noble patronage. On the other hand, where are the details? Some of the questions could be settled by Russian historians. The names and ages of all princesses in 1810 or in 1840 are a matter of public record. Perhaps also are their travel itineraries. It may be significant that all 3 cases--yours and the 2 I cited--involve Litvaks. I also know that all the Jews selling luxury goods to the Imperial Guards stationed on Tsarskoe Selo (the shops were directly opposite the Summer Palace) were Litvaks. If you narrow down the story by working the Russian end, it might be easier to find what you want in the Jewish records. Jules Levin
On 10/14/2020 7:51 AM, YaleZuss via groups.jewishgen.org wrote:
One of my ancestral families has a narrative that its surname was
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Michele Lock
My great grandfather Orel Leybman made boots for the Czar's calvary officers - as a lowly paid, poorly treated army conscript (oral history of my grandfather). I have no illusions about the reality of his time in Lithuania, in contact with anything related to the Czarist government.
Michele Lock Alexandria, VA
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binyaminkerman@...
The talltale in my family is that an ancestor tutored the Czar's daughter. In truth it was probably a local gentile nobleman and that's most likely the case in other stories of Jewish interaction with the Czar. Of course stories where the Jew was employed for something of low social standing are easier to believe.
Some hints as to whether there is any truth behind the story can be found if the family lived in an area that was otherwise exclusive to gentiles or if they seem to have been of higher class and wealth than other Jews. But some stories are totally made up. Binyamin Kerman Baltimore MD
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Jules Levin
There are two separate issues here: 1. Treatment of Jews in the Army
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from Alexander II on (I am not talking about the period from Nicholas I until Alexander II. Traditionally all conscripts--that is to say, ALL eligible untitled men in Russia/USSR-- were and are treated badly. Privates in the US Army were also forced to polish boots and perhaps some complained about it later to their children. (By the way, look at all the photos of proud young Jewish boys in uniform in the Jewishgen submitted photos) In fact my great grandfather (a different one) was a harness-maker in the Army, a craft which put him in what passed for middle-class life in the 19th Century. Jews benefited from army service, since those that completed service and honorably discharged were allowed to keep their weapons and could live where they were discharged, often with minor service appts in their villages, such as postmaster. These armed Jews defended shtetles from pogromists, and were in the first yishuv, defending the pioneers from Arab marauders. 2. Jews who provided personal services to the nobility of course could have direct contact. Nicholas II's wife Aleksandria the Tsarina purchased her jewels from a Jewish jeweler. Providing service to the upper classes has always provided upward mobility, here in the USA, and in Tsarist Russia. Jules Levin
On 10/14/2020 11:05 AM, Michele Lock wrote:
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Jules Levin
Living outside the Pale is post facto. How they got there is the
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interesting question. They needed the wealth first. Jules Levin
On 10/14/2020 11:14 AM, btkerman via groups.jewishgen.org wrote: The talltale in my family is that an ancestor tutored the Czar's
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Jules Levin
There are several books on Jews' services to tsars. By the way, Stalin
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also had a Jewish dentist Jules Levin
On 10/14/2020 7:23 AM, David Barrett wrote: Interesting
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Jules Levin
Depends when they served. By the 1870s it was possible to provide
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services to nobility without conversion, although they may have been invited to convert. They needed the courage to say no, then they were hired anyway... Jules Levin
On 10/14/2020 7:14 AM, luc.radu via groups.jewishgen.org wrote:
I take that by "employed by the Czar" you mean DIRECTLY employed.
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Jules Levin
Every discharged soldier received discharge papers that specified what
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he did in the army. That would be his certificate. Too bad he didn't keep it. Jules Levin
On 10/14/2020 6:03 AM, Laurence Posner wrote: My wife’s grandfather from Latvia told the family that he had been a
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Jules Levin
This is a good example of what often happened when a soldier was
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honorably discharged. But I am sure the tsar did not personally perform what was a common administrative process. (Did a tsar personally hire an individual to run the post office in a village in Lithuania?) My uncle was wounded on the Western Front just before the Armistice, and I think he held Woodrow Wilson personally responsible. If you asked him if Wilson sent him to a useless war in France, he would have agreed. Jules Levin
On 10/14/2020 5:44 AM, mur33706 via groups.jewishgen.org wrote: My maternal grandfather was employed by Czar Nickolas as a beaurocrat
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Jules Levin
It seems inprobable, but then a real Jew, Baron Ginsburg, built the
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whole transSiberian railroad, so why not a bathtub? (By the way, Ginsburg did not convert, and did speak to the Tsar.) Jules Levin
On 10/14/2020 4:52 AM, segslusky via groups.jewishgen.org wrote:
Yes, my son in law’s family (GERSHKOVITZ Kerch, Crimea) has a story that their ancestor designed a bathtub for the czar’s railroad car that reduced water sloshing out. But this sounds so unlikely Susan Slusky, Highland Park, NJ GRABER, HUF, MYSZKET, BARK Lublin Province VOROBEY, PODMAZO Minsk Province and near Kovno HERSCHER, KRAMER Galicia/Russian border
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sojacobs@...
I was told by my father, Leon Schiller, who was born in Chernigov, Ukraine In 1906, that his father, Aryeh Nikrityn, was a tailor for the Czar. I have no verification of this and sadly have found no details about this gentleman beyond a marriage record for him and my grandmother, Etlya Naishuler, who emigrated to the U.S. with my father and his brother in 1913.
Joan Jacobson, Overland Park, Kansas
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