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Kremenets region - Village of Kolosova #ukraine


Arkady K
 

Hello,

I previously posted a help request for Dolginovo trying to find some great aunts/uncles, no such luck.
I believe that two of the siblings Yaakov Kamenetsky (famous rabbi who moved to America) and his brother Haim-Zorach were both born in Kolosova which is present-day Ukraine. 

However Kolosova is not easy to find.  On the off change that this is the same Kolosova located in the Kremenets region, would appreaciate any help.   I have not conisdered using JewishGen to search for anything Ukraine related, but I am grasping at straws.

On the biography of Yaakov Kamenetsky it states 'Born in a small hamlet of Kolosova'...
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Arkady Kamenetsky


Alexander Sharon
 

Village was known in Polish as Kołosów. During the interwar period (1918-1939) village was located within Bialokrynica parish of Krzemieniec (Kremenets) district of Wolhynia (Volin) Province.
As one can see from the Kołosów entry in Poland 1921 Business Directory, there were 519 residents, and all the nearest facilities such as telephone, telegraph, post office and the  train station  were located 9 km (6 miles) distance in Krzemieniec.
Refer to Kołosów at JewishGen (Jewish Records Indexing - Poland Project):

https://www.jewishgen.org/databases/poland/1929/P2169.pdf

There is also entry for Kołosów (Kołosowa) in circa 1870 Geographical Dictionary of the Kingdom of Poland and...

http://dir.icm.edu.pl/pl/Slownik_geograficzny/Tom_XV_cz.2/108

Alexander Sharon
JGFF editor




Ellen Garshick
 

Hello Arkady,

I'm not aware of a Kolosova in the Kremenets district. Could it be the town of Klesov (Klesiv [Ukr], Klesov [Rus], Klesów [Pol], Klisov [Yid], Klosova, Klosowa) in the Rovno district? The JewishGen Communities database (https://www.jewishgen.org/Communities/community.php?usbgn=-1042140)  shows this town at 51°20' N, 26°56' E.

Other online (not verified) sources give Yakov Kamenetsky's birthplace as Kalushkove, Lithuania, or Kalushkova, Minsk province, Belarus.  You might search the JewishGen Gazetteer for these towns (https://www.jewishgen.org/Communities/LocTown.asp) and see if records and other resources are available for them.

Best of luck,
Ellen

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Ellen Garshick
Co-Coordinator, Kremenets Shtetl CO-OP/Jewish Records Indexing-Poland
an activity of the Kremenets District Research Group
http://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/Kremenets
Researching BAT, AVERBAKH from Kremenets, Shumsk, Katerburg, and Folvarki, Ukraine; GERSHIK, HURWITCH from Staryye Dorogi and Bobruisk, Belarus; ROTHKOPF (ROTKOP), GOLDBERG from Bialystok, Poland, and Baranivichi and Slonim, Belarus


Sherri Bobish
 


Arkady,

This page https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/91051823/yaakov-kamenetskyhas a photo of Rabbi Kamenetsky's tombstone.  There is a lot of Hebrew writing on it.  Perhaps you will find some info there helpful to your search.

Also, have you located his passenger manifest?  That should list his place of birth.

Regards,

Sherri Bobish


Arkady K
 

Sherri,

I cannot read Hebrew, but I actually posted an update to this post.  It is not Kolosova and it is probably not Ukraine, the village is in fact called Kaliskovkeh.  What is weird is that both of these spellings are basically from the same source, Noson Kamenetsky - the son of Yaakov.  Go figure.

Tell me more about this passenger manifest?   From where to where? 
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Arkady Kamenetsky


Arkady K
 

On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 11:03 AM, Alexander Sharon wrote:
Kołosów
Alexander, 

Interesting so this town no longer exists?  Ellen who replied to this thread is not aware of any such thing in Kremenets district - I assume this is the same Kremenets?
 
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Arkady Kamenetsky


Arkady K
 

Ellen,

Yes those online sources come from exactly one man, his son Nosson.  They are just copied from one place to the next - and even the spelling changes from book to book.  Which is utterly confusing.
Book about his father spells it Kalushkove (he contributed the research) and the Godol book written by Nosson spells it Kaliskovkeh.

it also does not help that we are all Kamenetsky and yet several times he mentions the family circa 1890 as Kamenecki...I have no idea when it changed, but clearly in the 20th century at some point they all became Kamenetsky.



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Arkady Kamenetsky


Alexander Sharon
 

Arkady,

I have provided you with two reliable sources of the village existence in the past, and yes it was located just 9 km distance from Krzemieniec. Krzemieniec is original Polish name of Ukrainian Kremenets, this is also identified in my previous reply. BTW, Kolosova is still there, and still in Kremenets region:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolosova,_Kremenets_Raion

Alexander Sharon
JGFF


Sherri Bobish
 


Arkady,

You can post a request to the discussion list asking for someone who can read Hebrew to translate the stone for you.

I tried to find Yakov Kamenetsky's passenger manifest, but could not, even using soundex search on both the first and surname.  I tried using Jacob instead of Yaakov.  He supposedly arrived in Seattle in 1937, according to: https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/kamenetsky-yaakov

I cannot find a manifest for his wife, Etta HELLER.

Quite a mystery!

Regards,

Sherri Bobish


Arkady K
 

So I tracked it down to this https://radzima.net/eng/miejsce/kalyskovka-347.html . Looks like it was a village that existed near Dolginovo.  

I used online image translation of his tombstone and there is no real information about him, just some torah sayings.

What frustrates me more than anything is that Dolginovo or otherwise, this is roughly the same region/county of Belarus.  All belonging to the Russian Empire.   JewishGen has Belarussian birth records, but none for these members of the family.
I have their names:  Kamenetsky/Kaminecki (Yakov, Hayim, Dveira) 
Birth dates: 1891 
Location:  Vileyka Region

Nothing comes up. At all. 
Is it possible that they simply were not registered and that is why the Belarus database contains nothing?


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Arkady Kamenetsky


Arkady K
 

Alexander,

I was wrong in my original premise, it was not Kolosva Ukraine - it was this place:  https://radzima.net/eng/miejsce/kalyskovka-347.html
Some kind of village that no longer exists, but very close to Dolginovo.
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Arkady Kamenetsky