Lithuania/Latvia and South Africa #general #lithuania #southafrica


David Cherson
 

Hi,
I have had a question that has been 'gnawing' at me for some time.  It seems to me that most of the Jews who got affidavits (or the South African equivalent) to emigrate to South Africa came from Lithuania (and Latvia?).  Was South Africa the only country to which emigration was possible from Lithuania?  Thank you.

David Cherson


ryoudelman
 

I can't answer that question exactly, but among my ancestors--my father's family all came from Lithuania--many went to South Africa but some came to the US as well. It seems to be a bigger group in South Africa (where they spell they family name "Judelman"), but I don't know of any impediment keeping them from going elsewhere. I would also like to know--was it more expedient to immigrate to SA?

Rachel Youdelman


Ed Goldberg
 

At the beginning of the 20th century there were no restrictions on countries of origin emigrating to South Africa and Jews arrived from all countries. The Union Castle Line of ships had the contract to carry mail from Southamton, England to Cape Town and back but needed more income and so expanded into passenger service. They decided to send agents throughout Latvia and Lithuania to sell tickets to Jews in the cities and shtetls. Often one member of a family would buy a ticket, make some money in South Africa and then send money back through these agents so that the rest of their families could get tickets.
 
Ed Goldberg
Vancouver, Canada


Eli Rabinowitz
 

Read - From The Baltic to the Cape by Ivan Kapelus - to understand how migration from Lithuania to South Africa came about and worked.

Eli Rabinowitz
WE ARE HERE ! Foundation
Perth Australia


Eleanor Lind
 

They often, like my relatives, went through Jews Temporary Shelter in London. I think Union Castle line also had contacts there.


Eleanor Lind
now Brighton UK

Platsky, Platzky, Platt, Joffe, Zinober, Elias, Redhouse  


crystalbrown3431@...
 

Between 1900 and 1910 my wife's maternal grandparents went from Lithuania to London where they first met, thence  on to South Africa where they were married, then back to London where the first child was born  and then on to Boston/USA. At some point prior to emigrating to Boston they became British citizens. We believe it may have occurred in S. Africa based upon some documentation we have.

While I do not know if there were country specific citizenship quotas in place in the USA when they arrived, the British citizenship coupled with fluency in english developed in the UK by her grandfather, undoubtedly made the USA citizenship process easier. We have wondered if  the S. Africa years were just  part of a strategy to ultimately end up in the USA.


Richard B. Brown
Glastonbury, Connecticut, USA


debannex@...
 


--Hi Richard
Have you had any luck finding birth records in South Africa - i am looking for records from 1899-1905 in Johanesburg and Capetown. 
Thanks
Deborah Moscou Annex
Miami Beach, FL


Audrey Levin
 

Many went to Canada. There are a lot of Litvaks in Montreal.
Audrey Levin


Jill Whitehead
 

I had two members of my family who went to South Africa from UK, one permanently and one temporarily. Bessie Leah Brown married a Cohen (later Conyers) in Edinburgh in 1906 (her family had come to Edinburgh in 1870 from what is now Vistytis in Lithuania but was Wiestieniec in Suwalki, Poland when they left). She left for Cape Town with her husband in 1906 and then her family went onto Australia in 1970's. 

My great uncle Abraham Simon Guttenberg later Graham had an argument with his father in Sheffield, when he was in his teens and left for Johannesburg (the family had gone to Hull from Rajgrod in Lomza Gubernia in NE Poland in c 1865). He came home to marry and then took his wife (Minnie Gorfunkle of Liverpool) out to S. Africa, where they had two daughters, but one died.  He returned at outbreak of WW1. His wife hated South Africa. This is all in his memoirs deposited in Sheffield City Library. He knew Mahatma Ghandi and some of the Jewish mining entrepreneurs to whom he supplied goods and services e.g. Barney Barnato.  

There was a lot of onward migration from UK at turn of 20th century when the Aliens Act came in in 1905. Several family members who had originally come in 1860s and 1870s and who had not naturalised left, mainly for USA. 

Jill Whitehead, Surrey, UK


crystalbrown3431@...
 

On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 10:16 AM, <debannex@...> wrote:

Deborah Moscou Annex
Miami Beach, FL
Deborah-
The short answer is no. The SA records we have found to date are marriage and death records which were found by a cousin originally from S Africa, but now living in Austrailia. These records were, I believe, from Family Search.
I'll contact him again and see if he has any ideas.

Richard B. Brown
Glastonbury, CT


Linda Higgins
 

Those in my grandfather's family from Lithuania  immigrated to the U.S., Canada, Argentina and Israel.

Linda Gordon Higgins
Spring, TX


Max Heffler
 

My mother’s father (Wasserman) went from Joniskelis, in North Central Lithuania, to Johannesburg, South Africa before immigrating to the US

 

Max Heffler,

Houston, TX

 

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Those in my grandfather's family from Lithuania  immigrated to the U.S., Canada, Argentina and Israel.

Linda Gordon Higgins
Spring, TX


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Max Heffler
Houston, TX
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HEFFLER(Ukraine)/TIRAS(Poland)/WASSEMAN(Lithuania)/MOORE(Poland)/ZLOT(Lithuania)
GORENSTEIN(Ukraine)/FLEISCHMAN(Latvia)/GOLDEN(Lithuania)


crystalbrown3431@...
 

Following up on SA birth records-
I talked with the SA born cousin about this last nite. The birth records are not typically posted online. If you want to see something  you need to go in person to the office where the records are held and photography is not typically allowed.Not an easy process-even with a local helper- and especially  right now.

Hope this helps.

Richard B. Brown
Glastonbury, CT USA


Michele Lock
 

I believe most of the Jews who settled in South Africa came from the Kovna province of Lithuania, and from Latvia. You can check out the facebook group Southern Africa Jewish Genealogy for their input on your question.

In my family, nearly all of which were from Kovna province, most came to the US, but one branch immigrated to South Africa. It appears that once one sibling moved to South Africa, their other 9 siblings eventually made their way there. One sibling did remain in the US, and had a brother who immigrated to join her, but then the brother left within a few years to join the rest of the siblings in SA. 

Once US immigration laws became restrictive in 1925, I believe South Africa became one of the main destinations for Litvak and Latvian Jews.
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Michele Lock

Lak/Lok/Liak/Lock and Kalon/Kolon in Zagare/Joniskis/Gruzdziai, Lithuania
Lak/Lok/Liak/Lock in Plunge/Telsiai in Lithuania
Rabinowitz in Papile, Lithuania and Riga, Latvia
Trisinsky/Trushinsky/Sturisky and Leybman in Dotnuva, Lithuania
Olitsky in Alytus, Suwalki, Poland/Lithuania
Gutman/Goodman in Czestochowa, Poland
Lavine/Lev/Lew in Trenton, New Jersey and Lida/Vilna gub., Belarus


Arlene Beare
 

I started researching my family in south Africa in 1998. This was the reply I received from the Department for Home Affairs.
Official Registration of Births,Marriages and Deaths commenced in the different Provinces as follows-
                               Births               Marriages         Deaths
Cape Province       1895                 1700                 1895
Natal                       1868                 1869                 1888
Transvaal                 1901                 1870                 1901
Orange Free State    1903                 1848                 1903
My father was born 1900 in the Transvaal and I never obtained his Birth Certificate.
Registers in the former South West Africa since March 1978 kept by the Namibian Authorities.

Arlene Beare
Co-Director Latvia and Estonia Research Division


tiarem@...
 

My grandfather, his 2 brothers and others from Raseinia, Lithuania migrated to Australia (New South Wales) in the 1870s and1880s.

Glenda Goldberg
Sydney Australia