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Looking for Pesach LANGSAM connection to my LANGSAM branch #dna #galicia #names


NTalbot
 

I am looking for help finding the connection between Pesach LANGSAM (1748-Nov. 02,1820) from Jawornik, father of Tzvi Elimelech SPIRA (Dynover Rebbe), g-grandfather of Tzvi Elimelich SPIRA, (Bluzhover Rebbe), and my branch of LANGSAMS--Mendel LANGSAM, father of Ephraim (1835-1941) and Leibish (aka: Yehuda Aryeh Leib), also known as the "H" lines. Are there any male LANGSAMs out there who have had their y-DNA tested?

Suzan Wynne and Moishe Miller have created many LANGSAM trees, but so far I have not found the connection between these two branches. 

Any help would be appreciated
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NTalbot
Brooklyn, NY
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NEGER, SPINRAD (Dynow, Poland)
TOLPEN (Suchostaw, Poland/Sukhostav, Ukraine)
DISTENFELD, ADLER, WILDER (Kamionka Strumilowa, Poland/Kamianka-Buzka, Ukraine)


Adam Cherson
 

I believe the Pesakh Langsam yDNA lienage is J-FGC65704. Please see here for more details: https://www.geni.com/documents/view/6000000072391855387?doc_id=6000000158337910049
This is an index of rabbnical yDNA kept in the yDNA Rabbinical Lineages Project: https://www.geni.com/projects/Rabbinical-Lineages-yDNA-and-Haplogroup-Identification/58725

Cordially,
Adam Cherson


Moishe Miller
 

Adam,

While it is true that this MIGHT be the DNA for all Langsam's, this
terminal SNP is very specific to a small subset of Pesach's descendants.
GENI does not have more than two yDNA tests for this entire line. Part
of the request I believe is to find and test more male yDNA descendants.

The current yDNA testers trace back to Haplogroup J1, as follows:
J-FGC65704 > J-BY80 > J-ZS2736 > J-ZS2728 > J-L816 (back to J1)

Moishe Miller
Brooklyn, NY
moishe.miller@...
JGFF# 3391
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Moishe Miller
Brooklyn, NY
moishe.miller@...
JGFF #3391


Adam Cherson
 

Dear Moishe,

I appreciate this fine tuning of the analysis.

Since R' Langsam lived circa 1748-1820, and my estimated formation time of FGC56704 is between 715 CE and 952 CE, it is likely that any yDNA descendants of R' Langsam would be in the FGC65704 group, or some as of yet UNKNOWN SUB-GROUP of FGC65704. A terminal reading of FGC65704 would be a strong indicator of a common yDNA ancestor, while a TERMINAL BY80 (and above), impyling a finding of FGC65704(-), would suggest non-descent from R' Langsam. Non-terminal readings of BY80 or above would require additional testing to confirm FGC657074(+) status.

As you say, additional Y700 testing of any confirmed or suspected R' Langsam patriline descendants would be useful in verifying the signature.

For the sake of public awareness I add that using the GENI platform it is theoretically possible to find and then contact current yDNA descendants of any person on the tree (I have not specifically examined the R' Langsam possibilities in this regard). This would be a way for anyone to pursue verification of the signature.

Cordially,
Adam Cherson






NTalbot
 

Dear Adam and Moishe,
Belated thank you for providing the information on LANGSAMS, DNA and rabbinical lineages.
I am quite behind the curve when reading DNA stats, but hopefully one day there will be additional male LANGSAMS who can share more insight into the possible connection between Pesach and Mendel LANSAM families.

Kind regards,
Nina
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Brooklyn, NY
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NEGER, SPINRAD (Dynow, Poland)
TOLPEN (Suchostaw, Poland/Sukhostav, Ukraine)
DISTENFELD, ADLER, WILDER (Kamionka Strumilowa, Poland/Kamianka-Buzka, Ukraine)