Male and female children surnames #subcarpathia


My second great grandfather was known as Frojim Frojmovits and also as Frojim Eizikovits.  He was born about 1841 in Faluszlatina, Hungary (one mile north of Sighetu), and died there in 1909.   He named four known sons with the Eizikovits surname and three known daughters with the Frojmovits surname.  The children were born between about 1865 and 1887. Have any of you encountered similar situations/patterns where the male children were given a different surname than the female children?  

Lynda Mandlawitz
New York City

Odeda Zlotnick

You are implying that the only reason for the difference is the children's gender, and of course you may be right.

But just in case, here are some facts worth checking.
You write:
was known as Frojim Frojmovits and also as Frojim Eizikovits
Is it really "was know" or is it "was registered in some sources / some documents as"?
You write
He named four known sons with the Eizikovits surname and three known daughters with the Frojmovits surname
Did he really name them, in person, or is this what the clerk(s) wrote in the documents? 

Sometimes people registered the births of a number of children at the same time.  Maybe they couldn't get to the registrar's offices for each birth - travel price, distance, wars, plagues -- whatever.  Is the registration date  for the children correlated in any way with the father's different surnames? 

Do you know his father's name?  Is it possible that his father's name was Isaac, Grandfather Frojim?

Could it be that some sources were secular, some from the Jewish community?
In the Romanian side of my family, my second GGF was registered marriage documents as Leizerovici -- when he got married in 1896, as was his father, who was the son of Eliezer (i.e. Leizer)
However, by 1900 or so, the family surname was registered in various secular documents as Sigler.  

Odeda Zlotnick
Jerusalem, Israel.

Dan Nussbaum

There is a family belonging to my synagogue where the daughters were given the mother's maiden name as surnames. Ironically the maternal grandparents had the same surname. The father of the girls said, "They are going to change their names anyway when they get married.

Daniel Nussbaum II, M.D., FAAP
Retired Developmental Pediatrician
Rochester, New York
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Shelley Mitchell

In Europe and West Ukraine, if the parents had only a religious marriage, the children would all have the mother’s surname. However, according to my grandmother, her parents decided to give the boys one parent’s surname and the girls the other. However birth records show all the children using the mother’s surname.

Changes happen for all kinds of reasons, some known only to the family. For example when that same grandmother married, she didn’t like hmy grandfather’s father’s surname - Topf  - which means Pot. So they agreed to use his mother’s surname. A double honor since she died giving birth to him. 

Shelley Mitchell, NYC



Try to reach out to Bela Huber from Ungvár. He is a local guide and researcher. I hope he can help you with the questions. 
By the way , he is also from Szlatina. 

You can find his contacts on Jewishgen researcher list. 

All the best, 

Mark Friedman 

John Kovacs

I am on vacation and thus I don't have my papers with me, but I recall that at in certain old times the authority could or did permit that a person could have a certain number of children.  If my recollection is correct this could be another reason that your relative gave his surname to a number of children that were in line with the permitted numbers.  I assume that if a family went over the permitted family number then they used a different  surname for the additional children. I should mention that I have not studied this matter, but this is what I think could have happened.
John Kovacs