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Motchi married Heshi...so who's Heshi #lithuania

David Gordon
 

I posted recently asking for help with the name Motchi; many thanks to everyone who responded both publicly and privately.  Everyone agreed that Motchi is Mordechai (or a related name).  Which means Motchi is a man.  And which presents our next problem.  Both my cousin and I have oral stories (from completely separate sources) in which Motchi is married to Heshi.  We had previously both operated on the assumption that Heshi was short for Hirsh/Girsh and that Motchi must be a woman.  However, with this new complete agreement that Motchi is a man, that puts us back a step with regard to Heshi.  I have once again consulted all the sources I can find and come up with little certainty.  What is Heshi likely to be a "nickname" for if Heshi is a woman?  Again, thanks very much in advance for everyone's help.

David Gordon

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Evanston, Illinois

Searching: 

GORDON: Butrimantz; Eisiskes, Daukniunai; HORWITZ: Smolevichi, Lapichi;

GEBALOVITCH: Borisov, DRAZIN: Bobruisk; BENENSON: Borisov;

HURWITZ: Gomel

sharon yampell
 

Heshi may have actually been Chashe if you are using the scenario that Motchi was a male relative….

 

Sharon F. Yampell

Voorhees, NJ USA

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I posted recently asking for help with the name Motchi; many thanks to everyone who responded both publicly and privately.  Everyone agreed that Motchi is Mordechai (or a related name).  Which means Motchi is a man.  And which presents our next problem.  Both my cousin and I have oral stories (from completely separate sources) in which Motchi is married to Heshi.  We had previously both operated on the assumption that Heshi was short for Hirsh/Girsh and that Motchi must be a woman.  However, with this new complete agreement that Motchi is a man, that puts us back a step with regard to Heshi.  I have once again consulted all the sources I can find and come up with little certainty.  What is Heshi likely to be a "nickname" for if Heshi is a woman?  Again, thanks very much in advance for everyone's help.

David Gordon

tiganeasca/at/ gmail.com

Evanston, Illinois

Searching: 

GORDON: Butrimantz; Eisiskes, Daukniunai; HORWITZ: Smolevichi, Lapichi;

GEBALOVITCH: Borisov, DRAZIN: Bobruisk; BENENSON: Borisov;

HURWITZ: Gomel

 

Feige Stern
 

Perhaps Motchi is Mashi, a nickname for Masha, a common Russian/Yiddish female name?

Just a thought.

Feige Kauvar Stern
Cleveland, OH

Shelley Mitchell
 

Given the new information you just provided, I think Hershi is a man and Motchi is a variation on Matel 

Deanna Levinsky
 

My husband was called Heshi. His Hebrew/Yiddish name was Hershel and Harry in English 
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Deanna M. Levinsky, Long Island, NY

janllb@...
 

Just a thought but I’ve come across the female name Hesia or Chasja before, which I always thought was a variant of Chaia or possibly a feminized “Chasidl”. And since s and sh could interchange if misread, maybe it’s connected? Obviously this couple were fond of nicknames! Does the region if Lithuania yield any clues, and can you run first names through a Soundex? Not sure in the latter....

Jan Lastman, Toronto ON CANADA.  Janllb@...

Researching: LASTMAN or LASTMANN w/origins in HOLLAND late 1600s then => Lublin early-mid 1700s.
By early-mid 1800s there were LASTMAN/N branches => Łódź, Radom, Warsaw, Leipzig GERMANY, Szydlowiec and Ostroweiec.  
LASTMAN/N relatives married in 1800s to KLAJMAN, KAUFMAN, LEDERMAN, KAC, CUKIER, STROSBERG, WAJCHANDLER, KUTCHINSKY/KUTNER etc... then => Toronto and Rio de Janeiro in early 1900s.  LASTMAN/Ns who remained in Europe but survived the Holocaust => France, Israel, Australia, NYC and New Orleans.
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Also researching:
MENDELSON / MENDELZOHN that somehow became DAVIDSON while still in Ostrowiec POLAND (!), immigrating as DAVIDSON => Toronto, Montreal, NYC and Detroit, most pre WW1
— SINGER / ZYNGIER from Janow Poldaski POLAND => Toronto and possibly Columbus OH all pre WW1
SCHAFER / SHAFIR from Linitz now Illinits UKRAINE (Russia) => Toronto and Detroit and possibly Columbus OH all pre WW1

Rapoport-Quint Family Tree on MyHeritage
 https://www.myheritage.com/site-family-tree-69044942/rapoport-quint or contact  janllb@...

Deborah Lane
 

I have thought of a few other ideas about those two names:

Motchi, as everyone else agrees, is often Mordecai. However, is it possible that it is a variation of the Yiddish female name Mattle or Mattie? Perhaps the "chi" at the end is an endearment suffix. I personally know a girl from a Yiddish speaking family who is named Henchie, which is an endearing way of saying Henny. I have also read a holocaust biography- which I cannot seem to find now to double check this- in which some of the females have the suffix "chi" or "chu" added to their names- though I believe this suffix is more commonly found among Galician or Hungarian Jews than among the more northern Lithuanian or Belarussian communities (I am not sure where your Motchi comes from) (another common female endearment suffix is "le"- as in Sora'le or Chaya'le.)
Another possibility for a female Motchi, though I think this is a stretch, is the name Mushkie, which is now a very common name among the Lubavich Chassidim because that was the name of the late Rebetzin.

Another possibility- Is Heshi some form of "Henny" or "Hendel" (female name) which I mentioned above? Another genner wrote the name Chashie- I also see that as a possibility.

Good luck trying to figure this out!

Deborah Lane
Spring Valley, New York
Researching: Oppenheim and Margolis of Telshe, Lithuania; Siegel of Balbirishik; Shapiro and Abelman of Kovno; Levine and Altschuller of Mogilev; Kaplan, Gritzman and Zakusaya of Bialystok; Schecter of Vinnitsa; Lieberman of Gaysin; Benedetsky of Bela Tserkov; Mintz of Latvia; a of Kiev

Rosalind
 

I would automatically think Motchi was Mordechai and Cheshi was Chasia. 
Ros