Need Assistance with Genealogy Databases - Not finding names #ukraine #names


GMantel
 

Hello and thank you in advance for any assistance you can provide! I have a somewhat detailed family history, but have been unable to find my relatives in the various databases. Perhaps some of you with more experience / knowledge can help? Ideally I'd like to find their names in the genealogy databases, in order to add more detail to my personal documents. Below are the relatives I'm trying to locate in Russia / Ukraine and Austria / Poland.

Coopersmith Family

 

Ruv:  = Head of other Rabbis in town – gives oral exam for Smicha (rabbinical ordination)

 

HaArav Mayer:  (HaArav=The Rabbi)  Rabbi Mayer Coopersmith:  Kievgeberna, Russia.  Hasidic Rav – Teteve  to Ukraine

Mayer was known as HaArov Mayer.  Ie:  The Rabbi Mayer.

M. Golda Zaslovsky – he was hired by her father to be her tutor.  Mayer Coopersmith was paid 18 Rubles per month from the Czar as a Pan Civil Court in Kievgebernya-County/Hamlet Tative – Town Chief Administrator of Civil Court.

 

Solomon Coopersmith:  Rav Shlomo – Hasidic (Lubuvitch)-Dad called him “Clean Shaven”  B. 1879  D. 6/3/45. age 66  of tuberculosis.  

Son of Mayer Coopersmith who had a Yeshiva in Kiev Russia. Mayer gave Smicha (rabbinical ordination) to Solomon. Solomon came to America as a translator; he returned to Russia to bring his wife and two children, Mike and Myer here in 1901.   They lived in the Bronx at 1530 Charlotte Street; and he taught Mishna on Henry Street and Clinton St. in Brooklyn.  When he was older and not well they bought land in Mountaindale part of Ellenville, N.Y.  Solomon and Golda brought Izzy  (Yitzach) Nierenburg (Golda’s cousin) to America and he worked the farm in Mountaindale .

Solomons’ brothers were Noah and Michael a U.N. Secretary. Solomon was a Kabbalist and an expert in Zohar, who would stay awake all night chanting in a closed room with a group of other men. The group he taught was: Agudas Achim Mesuda Sodem Loven.  This name is on the “two pillars” in front of the graves where the family is buried in Wellwood Cemetery, New York.  However, Solomon and Golda are buried in…. As Wellwood was not yet built. He was studying Zohar the Book of Splendor while in bed before he died.   He is buried with his head facing East and Goldas West. 

 

Joe Niremberg:  Scholar, Richard taught at DeWitt Clinton

 

Puchensky, Coopersmith  ?

 

Golda Zaslovsky Coopersmith:

b. 1882/3  d. Dec. 1957  Married: 1900?  mother of Louis, Mike, Myer, Willy and Rose:

Golda’s father had a Gilda Miga Pass – he was a liquor salesman and this pass permitted him to travel.  He was very wealthy – from Odessa.  When Golda married Zayde (Solomon), her father gave them a set of “gold” dishes.  She would sell one plate each year which would give them an income for that entire year. Her father was Moishe Zaslovsky.  Basha Nirenberg – Goldas’ mothers’ maiden name?

 

Michael Coopersmith:  B. 7/24/1901  D. 4/26/85  

Kevgoberna, suburb outside of Kiev, Russia

Bubby always told Uncle Mike to remember that he was named for Misha from Ostrova suburb of Odessa.  Wrote Masters for White Mgt. Corp.  Lady showed up at his funeral who we learned knew him for many, many years???

 

Myer Coopersmith:  B. 8/3/1903, Kevgoberna, Russia D. 11/?/58: after the 26th.

Burried Wellwood Cemetery.  Myer had a long term live-in relationship.  They did not marry, but she was considered his common law wife. 

Greenfield Family:

Julius Greenfield:  A Cohain

Born. 12/17/1892  D. 8/1/1973  PaDear was buried 8/3/73 Cedar Grove @ Mt.Hebron.  Queens, NY. Section 8 Hebron Block #104.

Parents:  Solomon 212 Delancy St. from Austria

               Fanny MN-Polica from Austria – B. 1867

Born: N.Y.C. Birth Cert. #48893.  Registered Levy Greenfield but called Julius.   

Abe Greenfield:   married Anna lived in Baltimore.  They adopted Miriam, who was brought from Poland by Aunt Bertha.  See Family Story.  Miriam’s’ parents and sisters were killed in Auschwitz.

Miriam Greenfield:  B. Poland 1935 ?  married Bert Botenheimer;  Wyewood 2100 Withondwood, Stevenson, Md. 21153  410-486-2396, parents and sisters killed Auchwitz. 

Bertha Greenfield:  PaDears’ aunt through his fathers’ second marriage?

Bertha went to Poland in 1937 to visit her sister.  Bertha brought her niece, Miriam to America – she was two years old.  Bertha, unmarried gave Miriam to Aunt Anna and Uncle Abe (Greenfield).  They adopted Miriam.  Bertha returned to Poland in 1939 and there married her cousin Mike Birnbaum.  They came to the states and lived in Bklyn. 
Mike Birnbaum:   B: Mielec sounds like Meletz, Poland.

Anna Satz:   Parents:  Dora and Jacob Satz

Brothers:   Sidney, Harry, Paul.  Sister: Ruth (Rudy).

Anna visited Nathan in Poland and married him there.  They came to America in 1939 where Bob was born.  Between Bob and Frieda Anna gave birth to twin boys who did not live.  Don’t know full story.  Anna is buried in Pinelawn Cemetery, Wellwood Avenue, Long Island, N.Y. next to Nathan.

Nathan Mantel:     B. 12/14/1913 Austria/Hungary – now Poland. 

Died:  8/2/76 age 62 of chronic acute heart failure, Long Beach Hospital at 3:45 a.m.

After coming to America in 1939, Nathan joined the U.S. Army when the U.S. entered WWII.  He was sent to Europe.  Nathan is buried in the Pinelawn Military Cemetery, Long ISland, NY.

Buried 8/3/76 – Grave 9A Section 2H.  Nathans’ parents, brothers and sisters were killed in Auschwitz. Mothers’ maiden name: Frieda Franzbleau. 

 
Glenn Mantel
Culver City, CA USA
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Mobile: 310-435-8905
 
 


Renee Steinig
 

Glenn Mantel <glennmantel@...> asked his Coopersmith, Nierenberg, Zaslovsky, Greenfield, Birnbaum, Satz and Mantel relatives.

It's important to learn what you can about immigrants from their U.S. records before attempting to search in Europe. There are so many sources to turn to for more information -- vital and cemetery records, immigration and naturalization records, censuses, draft records, etc. etc.  

Two of the sources that would be helpful to your search:

1) The online databases that exist for a number of New York area Jewish cemeteries. Searching on these sites will often lead you to additional relatives. It will also show you the societies on whose grounds these relatives are buried -- often clues to place of origin. So, for example...

o Solomon and Golda (Gussie) Coopersmith can be found on the Mount Zion Cemetery site (http://www.mountzioncemetery.com/search.asp?type=interment), on the grounds of Congregation Agudath Achim Misode Lovon.  A number of Nierenbergs are also buried in that section, and a Nurenberg.

According to the JGSNY's Burial Society Database (https://jgsny.org/searchable-databases/burial-society-databases), this society (or synagogue?) was associated with the town that's now Bila Tserkva, Ukraine -- https://www.jewishgen.org/Communities/community.php?usbgn=-1035624 . This town is about 50 miles from Kiev and was once located within Kiev Gubernia (province) -- hence the references you have found to "Kevguberna" and the like.

o Wellwood Cemetery's site (http://wellwoodcemetery.com/search/) lists, in addition to Meyer, these Coopersmiths buried on the grounds of Congregation United Brethren of Sodah Loven: Michael, William, and Louis (his brothers?) and Anna (a sister-in-law?). Also in the section: Rose Rappaport (Meyer's sister?). This organization is also associated with Bila Tserkva.

o Mount Ararat Cemetery's online listings (http://www.mountararatcemetery.com/search.asp) include the adjacent graves of Bertha and Michael Birnbaum, who died in 1977 and 2004. They appear to be in a private plot.

o The Mount Hebron Cemetery site (https://www.mounthebroncemetery.com/#search) shows that Julius Greenfield is buried very near Etta -- perhaps his wife. They also are in a private plot, not on society grounds.

2) Also, since I'm JRI-Poland's town leader for Mielec, some comments on Michael Birnbaum....

Indeed, his U.S. WWII draft card says that he was born in Mielec in 1913. 
No Jewish vital records survive for Mielec -- just a relatively small number of civil records that reference vital events. But Jewish Records Indexing - Poland (JRI-Poland.org) has a large collection of army draft registrations for Mielec, including what appears to be Michael's -- Meilech Birnbaum, son of Abraham Chaim Birnbaum and Schifra Thaler. These parents' names match those on Michael's Social Security record on Ancestry.

For information on more recent Mielec records, please contact me directly.

Renee

Renee Stern Steinig
Dix Hills NY
genmaven@...


mvayser@...
 

In addition to Renee's comment about "Kevguberna" being a broken phone version of Kiev gubernia (governorate, province, etc), I'd like to add that the last name Coopersmith is likely not the original name.  Perhaps, it was changed in the US from something like Kupershmid/Kupershmit/Kupershmidt.  Zaslovsky was likely Zaslavsky.
The town, you refer to as Tative and Teteve, sounds like Tetiev, which was part of Tarashcha uezd in Kiev governorate from 1795 until 1922.  Belaya Tserkov is about half way between Tetiev and Kiev, 45-50 mi each direction.
https://www.jewishgen.org/Communities/community.php?usbgn=-1056276

Also, Odessa doesn't have an Ostrova suburb.

Mike Vayser


Sherri Bobish
 

Glenn,

What you have written here are nice family stories, but it is not documentation.  For instance, you write: 
"Solomon came to America as a translator; he returned to Russia to bring his wife and two children, Mike and Myer here in 1901."

However, you also write that Myer was born in 1903 in Russia.

I believe that Mike, Myer & their Mom arrived in NY in 1906.  Husband Solomon was not on the ship with them, so he apparently did not return to Russia to bring them here.

The names are:
Kuperschmidt, Golde, b. circa 1880
Kuperschmidt, Meier, b. circa 1905
Kuperschmidt, Meisch, b. circa 1903

Arriving May 22, 1906.

They are from "Bialyczerkow" which I believe may be
Bila Tserkva, Ukraine, which was in Kiev province prior to WW1.
https://www.jewishgen.org/Communities/community.php?usbgn=-1035624

They were bound for Golde's husband - S. Coopersmith in NY.

Manifest can be seen at:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C9PT-XKRQ?i=46&cc=1368704&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AJFC5-12N

Begin your research with what you know, and go back slowly generation by generation.  Document everything with vital records, census, ship manifests, naturalization papers, etc.  After doing all that you can begin to search for records from the town of origin.

For instance, the family is easily found on the 1925 NY State census, and Solomon Coopersmith's court of naturalization is filled in there.

Good luck in your search,

Sherri Bobish


Michele Lock
 

Likewise, Greenfield was most likely originally Grunfeld or Gruenfeld.

When your family members traveled to the US, they would have been listed on the ship passenger lists under their old surnames, and not the Americanized versions of them. The first names would most likely have been the Yiddish versions of their Hebrew names.
--
Michele Lock

Lak/Lok/Liak/Lock and Kalon/Kolon in Zagare/Joniskis/Gruzdziai, Lithuania
Lak/Lok/Liak/Lock in Plunge/Telsiai in Lithuania
Trisinsky/Trushinsky/Sturisky and Leybman in Dotnuva, Lithuania
Olitsky in Alytus, Suwalki, Poland/Lithuania
Gutman/Goodman in Czestochowa, Poland
Lavine/Lev/Lew in Trenton, New Jersey and Lida/Vilna gub., Belarus


Stanley Diamond
 

 Dear friends:
 
Renee Steinig's detailed response to Glenn Mantel's post with the subject line 
"Need Assistance with Genealogy Databases - not finding names" deserves a
hearty Yasher Koach.  And that's not only because of the detailed nature of her 
response, but for generously devoting her time and knowledge to ferret out each 
piece of information.  Renee's efforts certainly speaks to the generosity of spirit 
in the world of Jewish family history and the way we share our expertise with our 
fellow researchers.
 
JRI-Poland is naturally proud that Renee has served as our Mielec Town Leader
for many years and I know that those who share roots in Mielec have benefited
from her expertise built up over many years as a professional researcher.
 
And talking about getting expert help...
 
In a recent JRI-Poland "For the Record" newsletter, we shared some tips as to
"How to improve your requests to JRI-Poland for help."  While much of it pertains
to suggestions on writing JRI-Poland Town Leaders, there are relevant tips that
apply to mailing list posts or private emails to those from whom you are requesting
assistance of one type or another...making it easier for those you are asking to 
provide answers...often as detailed and useful as those in Renee's post.
Please see:  https://drive.google.com/file/d/13DzqMln4eEdhQvM_lJFcDMy_fYp4AXoa/view
 
Stanley Diamond, M.S.M. 
Executive Director, Jewish Records Indexing - Poland, Inc.
 
 
 
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Re: Need Assistance with Genealogy Databases - Not finding names #names #ukraine
From: Renee Steinig
Date: Thu, 20 May 2021 22:05:59 EDT
 
Glenn Mantel <glennmantel@...> asked his Coopersmith, Nierenberg, Zaslovsky, Greenfield, Birnbaum, Satz and Mantel relatives.
 
It's important to learn what you can about immigrants from their U.S. records before attempting to search in Europe. There are so many sources to turn to for more information -- vital and cemetery records, immigration and naturalization records, censuses, draft records, etc. etc.  
 
Two of the sources that would be helpful to your search:
 
1) The online databases that exist for a number of New York area Jewish cemeteries. Searching on these sites will often lead you to additional relatives. It will also show you the societies on whose grounds these relatives are buried -- often clues to place of origin. So, for example...
 
o Solomon and Golda (Gussie) Coopersmith can be found on the Mount Zion Cemetery site (http://www.mountzioncemetery.com/search.asp?type=interment), on the grounds of Congregation Agudath Achim Misode Lovon.  A number of Nierenbergs are also buried in that section, and a Nurenberg.
 
According to the JGSNY's Burial Society Database (https://jgsny.org/searchable-databases/burial-society-databases), this society (or synagogue?) was associated with the town that's now Bila Tserkva, Ukraine -- https://www.jewishgen.org/Communities/community.php?usbgn=-1035624 . This town is about 50 miles from Kiev and was once located within Kiev Gubernia (province) -- hence the references you have found to "Kevguberna" and the like.

o Wellwood Cemetery's site (http://wellwoodcemetery.com/search/) lists, in addition to Meyer, these Coopersmiths buried on the grounds of Congregation United Brethren of Sodah Loven: Michael, William, and Louis (his brothers?) and Anna (a sister-in-law?). Also in the section: Rose Rappaport (Meyer's sister?). This organization is also associated with Bila Tserkva.
 
o Mount Ararat Cemetery's online listings (http://www.mountararatcemetery.com/search.asp) include the adjacent graves of Bertha and Michael Birnbaum, who died in 1977 and 2004. They appear to be in a private plot.

o The Mount Hebron Cemetery site (https://www.mounthebroncemetery.com/#search) shows that Julius Greenfield is buried very near Etta -- perhaps his wife. They also are in a private plot, not on society grounds.

2) Also, since I'm JRI-Poland's town leader for Mielec, some comments on Michael Birnbaum....
 
Indeed, his U.S. WWII draft card says that he was born in Mielec in 1913. 
No Jewish vital records survive for Mielec -- just a relatively small number of civil records that reference vital events. But Jewish Records Indexing - Poland (JRI-Poland.org) has a large collection of army draft registrations for Mielec, including what appears to be Michael's -- Meilech Birnbaum, son of Abraham Chaim Birnbaum and Schifra Thaler. These parents' names match those on Michael's Social Security record on Ancestry.
 
For information on more recent Mielec records, please contact me directly.
 
Renee

Renee Stern Steinig
Dix Hills NY
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mvayser@...
 

On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 12:28 PM, Michele Lock wrote:
Greenfield was most likely originally Grunfeld or Gruenfeld.

Michele,
I think Greenfield might be correct as well, although I see your point as the notes say the father is from Austria.  I would look for Grinfeld in the manifests.
This might actually simplify things.  Born in Austria, which really means Austria-Hungary at that time (prior to birth of Julius in NYC in 1892).  According to the notes, there was travel to Poland in 1939, presumably to the area that was formerly Austria-Hungary.  You would have to do some research on the pre-WWI vs pre-WWII borders to determine possible origin.  Also, wouldn't the ship manifests from NYC to Europe for Jan 1-Sep 1 1939 be easily available?

Mike Vayser


ADELA WEINSTEIN
 

Coopersmith could also have been spelled as Kupferschmidt. I have cousins by that last name and also several of its variations.

Adela Weinstein 
Peoria, Arizona