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need help finding Morris, Sam and Jonas LISS passenger arrival records #belarus #russia


N. Summers
 

I am stuck and would love to have your ideas on what I should do next.

I'm looking for relatives by the name of LISS, from Motal or Pinsk, Poland (now Belarus). They came to New York between 1895 to 1910 and all but one changed their surname to Alper (for good luck, because they knew someone who did well in the U.S.).

I have found their census documents in New York, but I've tried and tried without any luck to find the passenger lists for father Morris Liss or his 2 oldest sons Sam and Jonas. I believe that the 3 travelled separately, arriving between 1895 and 1904 (based on the arrival dates in their US censuses; and on the 1904 passenger list of Morris' wife Annie with their younger children.). Morris' brother Abraham came a bit later and kept the name Liss . I even had a researcher from EllisIsland.org  try to find the record for Jonas but she was not able to do so.

I'm beginning to think that their name in Poland might have been something other than Liss. Maybe a Yiddish name? Does anyone know what a Yiddish or Polish version of the name might be?  Or how else I might tackle this task?

many thanks

Nancy
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Nancy Summers

Maryland, USA

 

FINKELSTEIN, BOOKSTEIN, KOENIG/SUKOENIG, LUSMAN, GOLDINER, SAGORODER (Radziwillow, Russia >Radzyliv,Ukraine; Ostroh, Rivne, Poland>Ostrog, Rovno,Ukraine; Warsaw, Poland; Wolinsky, Russia> Volyn, Ukraine)

LISS / ALPER  (Motol, Pinsk, Russia>Belarus)

LEAF / LIFSCHITZ ( Rechitsa, Minsk,  Russia> Belarus)


Susan&David
 

Nancy: See if you can find naturalization documents for your LISS family members.  They may have the details that you are looking for, i.e., ship, date, original name.


David Rosen
Boston, MA 

On 8/14/2020 10:17 AM, N. Summers via groups.jewishgen.org wrote:

I'm looking for relatives by the name of LISS, from Motal or Pinsk, Poland (now Belarus).....   I have found their census documents in New York, but I've tried and tried without any luck to find the passenger lists for father Morris Liss or his 2 oldest sons Sam and Jonas ..........I'm beginning to think that their name in Poland might have been something other than Liss. might be?  Or how else I might tackle this task?

many thanks

Nancy



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Sherri Bobish
 


Nancy,

Leib Mosche LISS (42) and Jona LISS (10 1/2) arrived in NY from Pinsk in August 1901.

They were bound for Providence, RI.  It says going to "brother."  I assume that means a brother of Leib Mosche.

Info found at:  https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/1368704

Hope this helps,

Sherri Bobish
Princeton, NJ


David Oseas
 

Nancy,

Look at the Citizenship columns of the census returns.  They will indicate "Al", meaning alien: the immigrant did not yet file for citizenship; "Pa" meaning papers: the immigrant filed "first papers" (Declaration of Intention); or "Na": naturalized: the immigrant filed their Petition for Naturalization.  Depending on the census, there may also be a date of the naturalization activity.  Then search the naturalization indexes to see if you can locate their papers.  Depending on when they naturalized, there may be information about the date and means of arrival. Many naturalization collections additionally have the Certificate of Arrival, which contains the same arrival info, and usually lists the name that was used on the passenger list.

Regards,
David Oseas

Researching:
HYMAN/HEYMAN/HEIMOWITS/CHAJMOVITS: Zemplen-Dobra, Hungary > New York
KLEIN: Satoraljaujhely (Ujhely), Hungary > New York > Los Angeles
KRONOWITH:
Hungary > New York
OSEAS/OSIAS/OSIASI/OZIAS: Iasi, Romania > Chicago > Milwaukee > Los Angeles
SCHECHTER/SHEKTER: Kishinev, Bessarabia > New York  
SHERMAN: Iasi, Romania > New York > Los Angeles
STRUL:  Iasi, Romania > Haifa, Israel
WICHMAN: Syczkowo (Bobruisk), Belarus > Milwaukee > Los Angeles


N. Summers
 

Oh my goodness! I can't believe you found them!  I've been using Ancestry and EllisIsland without any luck. Am still learning to use familysearch. Now I know that I've got to make that a priority.
I am eternally grateful to you.
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Nancy Summers

Maryland, USA
ps: my family lived in Princeton Jct. for many years; I'd love to chat with you about Princeton. will message youprivately.

 

FINKELSTEIN, BOOKSTEIN, KOENIG/SUKOENIG, LUSMAN, GOLDINER, SAGORODER/ZAGORODER (Radziwillow, Belarus/Ukraine; Ostrog, Poland/Belarus; Warsaw, Poland; Wolinsky, Russia/Ukraine)

LISS / ALPER  (Motol, Russia/Belarus)

LEAF / LIFSCHITZ ( Rechitsa, Belarus)


N. Summers
 

Thank you again, I also found the record for Sam Liss, who I had not been able to find on Ancestry.

Do you know why some passenger info might be found on familysearch but not Ancestry? I now know that i've been relying too much on Ancestry alone.
Nancy
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Nancy Summers

Maryland, USA

 

FINKELSTEIN, BOOKSTEIN, KOENIG/SUKOENIG, LUSMAN, GOLDINER, SAGORODER/ZAGORODER (Radziwillow, Belarus/Ukraine; Ostrog, Poland/Belarus; Warsaw, Poland; Wolinsky, Russia/Ukraine) LISS / ALPER  (Motol, Russia/Belarus)  LEAF / LIFSCHITZ ( Rechitsa, Belarus)


Dahn Cukier
 

One reason may be the indexer misread the entry. Try to find others on the same pa
via Ancestry and you may also find your relative. Each service seems to use
their own indexers.

My grandparents were miss indexed in the 1930 US census, but my 3 year
old father was listed with the correct name but at a strangers home.

He was recorded as grandson of the HOF.

Using Googleearth I found the address, and saw that Heggaman Ave was
a cross street, I know the family lived there and searched house by
house until I found the entry. The small "u" was indexed as an "a".

Dani

When you start to read readin,
how do you know the fellow that
wrote the readin,
wrote the readin right?

Festus Hagen
Long Branch Saloon
Dodge City, Kansas
(Gunsmoke)


On Wednesday, August 19, 2020, 05:58:30 PM GMT+3, N. Summers via groups.jewishgen.org <summ1=verizon.net@...> wrote:


Thank you again, I also found the record for Sam Liss, who I had not been able to find on Ancestry.

Do you know why some passenger info might be found on familysearch but not Ancestry? I now know that i've been relying too much on Ancestry alone.
Nancy
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Nancy Summers

Maryland, USA

 

FINKELSTEIN, BOOKSTEIN, KOENIG/SUKOENIG, LUSMAN, GOLDINER, SAGORODER/ZAGORODER (Radziwillow, Belarus/Ukraine; Ostrog, Poland/Belarus; Warsaw, Poland; Wolinsky, Russia/Ukraine) LISS / ALPER  (Motol, Russia/Belarus)  LEAF / LIFSCHITZ ( Rechitsa, Belarus)


Susan&David
 

FamilySearch uses volunteer indexers and a two level system.  The same data is indexed by two different people.  The two results are compared, word  by word.  Any difference is highlighted and a third person takes another look before making the final decision. FamilySearch volunteers come from many parts of the world.  They can choose what records to index and are likely to select records where they have the most familiarity.  (I have  done some indexing for FamilySearch)
I believe Ancestry employs paid indexers, many from outside the U.S.A.  I don't believe their indexing is subject to the same level of scrutiny as FamilySearch

David Rosen
Bosto, MA


On 8/19/2020 10:46 AM, N. Summers via groups.jewishgen.org wrote:
Thank you again, I also found the record for Sam Liss, who I had not been able to find on Ancestry.

Do you know why some passenger info might be found on familysearch but not Ancestry? I now know that i've been relying too much on Ancestry alone.
Nancy
--

Nancy Summers

Maryland, USA

 

FINKELSTEIN, BOOKSTEIN, KOENIG/SUKOENIG, LUSMAN, GOLDINER, SAGORODER/ZAGORODER (Radziwillow, Belarus/Ukraine; Ostrog, Poland/Belarus; Warsaw, Poland; Wolinsky, Russia/Ukraine) LISS / ALPER  (Motol, Russia/Belarus)  LEAF / LIFSCHITZ ( Rechitsa, Belarus)



Sherri Bobish
 


Nancy,

I have found individual passenger's names spelled differently on the FamilySearch, Ancestry, and EIDB indices.

Considering how hard it is to read and interpret the handwriting on many of the manifests, it is amazing that we can find any of our ancestors!

Regards,

Sherri Bobish


Diane Jacobs
 

That is why the number one rule in genealogy is spelling doesn't count.
I found my grandfather's manifest page
for Glazer listed as Gloetzer.

Always cast a wide net, if you want to find a lot of fishes.

Diane Jacobs



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From: Sherri Bobish <sherribob@...>
Date: 8/19/20 5:53 PM (GMT-05:00)
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Subject: Re: [JewishGen.org] need help finding Morris, Sam and Jonas LISS passenger arrival records #belarus #russia


Nancy,

I have found individual passenger's names spelled differently on the FamilySearch, Ancestry, and EIDB indices.

Considering how hard it is to read and interpret the handwriting on many of the manifests, it is amazing that we can find any of our ancestors!

Regards,

Sherri Bobish
--
Diane Jacobs, Somerset, New Jersey


Sally Bruckheimer
 

"That is why the number one rule in genealogy is spelling doesn't count."

That was my number two rule of genealogy when I taught it. Number one was, "This isn't high school, you do what you want, but some things work better than others, so we will learn some of the better ways here."

Sally Bruckheimer
Princeton, NJ


Diane Jacobs
 


That is very true which comes from trial and error and experience  but as far as I am concerned it is also a matter of luck and  grey matter, ie if the records are there to be found and if you use your brain to try different ways to find what you need. It is also patience and fortitude, the names of the 2 lions in front of the NYPL in mid-Manhattan.

Diane Jacobs
Somerset NJ

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Date: 8/22/20 2:44 PM (GMT-05:00)
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Subject: Re: [JewishGen.org] need help finding Morris, Sam and Jonas LISS passenger arrival records #belarus #russia

"That is why the number one rule in genealogy is spelling doesn't count."

That was my number two rule of genealogy when I taught it. Number one was, "This isn't high school, you do what you want, but some things work better than others, so we will learn some of the better ways here."

Sally Bruckheimer
Princeton, NJ
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Diane Jacobs, Somerset, New Jersey