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Need help interpreting marriage record from Gesher Galicia #galicia #records

Carole Bass
 

In the marriage abstract below, which I copied and pasted from Gesher Galicia, what does the "r" signify after the bride's surname (Lea Frenkel r. Lustig)? Another abstract for the same couple lists the bride the same way but names her mother as Malke Käffig, not Lustig.

Many thanks.

Noach Salomon AGET
son of Benjamin AGET & Malke
& Lea FRENKEL r. LUSTIG
daughter of David FRENKEL & Malke LUSTIG

Marriage record

1859

Year of Registration of Marriage: 1859
Town of Record: Lviv
House Number: 208 2/
Groom's Age/Date of Birth: 23
Bride's Age/Date of Birth: 26

This record comes from the Lwów Jewish Marriages (1801-1866) database, fond 701, series 1, volume 134, page(s) 32, record number 89/98. The original records are held in Central State Historical Archives of Ukraine in Lviv (TsDIAL) and were added to this search engine on 24 August 2016. The Gesher Galicia unique record ID is GG-lviv_marriages_revised-4524.


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Carole Bass
New Haven, Connecticut, USA
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Susan&David
 

This has been answered several time in the past.  r stands for recte, meaning false, i.e.,  needing correction.
You can search the Jewishgen Discussion List Archives or do a Google search for recte.

David Rosen
Boston, MA


On 11/16/2020 6:46 PM, Carole Bass wrote:

In the marriage abstract below, which I copied and pasted from Gesher Galicia, what does the "r" signify after the bride's surname (Lea Frenkel r. Lustig)? Another abstract for the same couple lists the bride the same way but names her mother as Malke Käffig, not Lustig.

Many thanks.

Noach Salomon AGET
son of Benjamin AGET & Malke
& Lea FRENKEL r. LUSTIG
daughter of David FRENKEL & Malke LUSTIG

Marriage record

1859

Year of Registration of Marriage: 1859
Town of Record: Lviv
House Number: 208 2/
Groom's Age/Date of Birth: 23
Bride's Age/Date of Birth: 26

This record comes from the Lwów Jewish Marriages (1801-1866) database, fond 701, series 1, volume 134, page(s) 32, record number 89/98. The original records are held in Central State Historical Archives of Ukraine in Lviv (TsDIAL) and were added to this search engine on 24 August 2016. The Gesher Galicia unique record ID is GG-lviv_marriages_revised-4524.


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Carole Bass
New Haven, Connecticut, USA
bass.carole@...

Susan&David
 

Sorry,  I have to correct my response.  r  means correct, i.e., the correct version is given.

David

On 11/16/2020 9:46 PM, Susan&David wrote:
This has been answered several time in the past.  r stands for recte, meaning false, i.e.,  needing correction.
You can search the Jewishgen Discussion List Archives or do a Google search for recte.

David Rosen
Boston, MA


On 11/16/2020 6:46 PM, Carole Bass wrote:

In the marriage abstract below, which I copied and pasted from Gesher Galicia, what does the "r" signify after the bride's surname (Lea Frenkel r. Lustig)? Another abstract for the same couple lists the bride the same way but names her mother as Malke Käffig, not Lustig.

Many thanks.

Noach Salomon AGET
son of Benjamin AGET & Malke
& Lea FRENKEL r. LUSTIG
daughter of David FRENKEL & Malke LUSTIG

Marriage record

1859

Year of Registration of Marriage: 1859
Town of Record: Lviv
House Number: 208 2/
Groom's Age/Date of Birth: 23
Bride's Age/Date of Birth: 26

This record comes from the Lwów Jewish Marriages (1801-1866) database, fond 701, series 1, volume 134, page(s) 32, record number 89/98. The original records are held in Central State Historical Archives of Ukraine in Lviv (TsDIAL) and were added to this search engine on 24 August 2016. The Gesher Galicia unique record ID is GG-lviv_marriages_revised-4524.


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Carole Bass
New Haven, Connecticut, USA
bass.carole@...


Sally Bruckheimer
 

" r stands for recte, meaning false". False is f.

Actually r means 'correctly'. Usually records have Schwartz r Blau, meaning the surname is Schwartz but should be Blau. The civil records clerk found the birth record or whatever of the person, and his / her parents weren't married civilly, so they 'should' be recorded with their mother's maiden name, Blau, but they use their father's surname, Schwartz. The rest of this answer was correct (r), but the meaning of the r was wrong.

Sally Bruckheimer
Princeton, NJ
Carole Bass
 

Sally, thank you for the explanation. Now a follow-up question: how do you record these names in your family tree? Do you use the "correct" name (which, as I understand it, is "correct" only because the civil authorities didn't recognize Jewish religious marriages)? Or the father's surname, which is presumably what the person used in life?

Thanks again.

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Carole Bass
New Haven, Connecticut, USA
bass.carole@...
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