New York City Death Record Questions #usa #general #records


finejeffy@...
 

I am trying to request the death certificates for some likely distant cousins, Julius Fine and Samuel H. Fine, who are buried near other of my Fine relatives in the Mount Lebanon Cemetery in Queens. They died in the 1954 and 1956.
Currently NYC Death records after 1949 are available only from the Department of Health and only to certain relatives:
  1. The following relations to the deceased may request both a death certificate and the confidential cause of death medical report: Spouse, Domestic partner, Parent, Child, Sibling. Grandparent, Grandchild, Informant listed on the certificate, Person in control of disposition.
  2. The following relations may only request a death certificate, not the cause of death: Niece/Nephew, Aunt/Uncle, Great grandchild and great-great grandchildGrandniece/Grandnephew
1. It seems like there are specific exceptions to the specific relatives listed above for specific legal purposes. Are there any exceptions for genealogical purposes? 
2. I have read in previous posts that after 50 years, the records move to the "genealogical" group. Is that correct? We are already 72 years past 1949.
Thanks,
Jeff Fine
Montclair, NJ, USA
finejeffy@...


Barbara Ellman
 

The NYC Board of Health changed the length that the vital records could be held without being transferred to the archives.  For death certificates, it is now 75 years.  For birth records, 125 years.

There is no "special" arrangement for genealogy.
--
Barbara Ellman
Secaucus NJ USA
HASSMAN, SONENTHAL, DAUERMAN, LUCHS - Drohobycz, Ukraine
HIRSCHHORN, GOLDSTEIN, BUCHWALD - Dolyna, Ukraine
ELLMAN, COIRA, MAIDMAN - Minkovtsy, Ukraine
KAGLE, FASS - Ulanow, Poland


A. E. Jordan
 

-----Original Message-----
From: finejeffy@...
I am trying to request the death certificates for some likely distant cousins, Julius Fine and Samuel H. Fine, who are buried near other of my Fine relatives in the Mount Lebanon Cemetery in Queens. They died in the 1954 and 1956.


Absolutely no exceptions to the rules and even sometimes if you fit the rues you have to argue with them, Genealogy is a dirty word to the NYC Health Department.

Try checking the newspaper, NY Times, to see if there are obits.

Try asking the cemetery for what they know about the people. Especially see if they know if the person died inside or outside NYC.

1950s is a long shot but you can also ask if they know the name of the funeral home as the homes keep recornds but 70 years is a long time.

When we get past the current pandemic restrictions you can try checking to see if there are probate records if you an figure out where the people lived.

Good luck

Allan Jordan


Banai Lynn Feldstein
 

Support Reclaim the Records. They're trying to get NYC Death Certificates released covering those years and more.

https://www.reclaimtherecords.org/records-request/24/

--
Banai Lynn Feldstein
Professional Genealogist
Salt Lake City, Utah
http://idogenealogy.com/
http://geneasearch.net/


Adam Cherson
 

I beleive the current law for making NYC death certificates public is 70 years. The public archives seem to be stuck in 1948, when 1949 and 1950 should be available.  The covid shutdown should be making more time available for this processing, no?
--
Adam Cherson


dasw5@...
 

Did you check the FamilySearch website? They have some death records on the site 




Dassy Wilen


Sherri Bobish
 

Jeff,

If it's any help, here is a photo of Julius' tombstone:
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/98725610/julius-fine
And, Samuel's:
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/98725641/samuel-fine

This may be the family living in NYC on Henry Street on the 1900 census. You can see the actual census page at:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-6SS9-LYV?i=22&cc=1325221&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AMSJL-YZV
Household
Role
Sex
Age
Birthplace
Head
Male
38
Russia
Wife
Female
36
Russia
Julius Fine
Son
Male
16
Russia
Daughter
Female
14
New York
Daughter
Female
11
New York
Son
Male
8
New York
Daughter
Female
6
New York
Son
Male
2
New York
Servant
Female
19
Russia
And, 1910 census living on West 115th Street:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9RJX-WQH?i=11&cc=1727033&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AM53N-93D
Household
Role
Sex
Age
Birthplace
Harris Fine
Head
Male
47
Russia
Wife
Female
46
Russia
Son
Male
25
Russia
Daughter
Female
21
New York
Daughter
Female
18
New York
Son
Male
17
New York
Daughter
Female
14
New York
Son
Male
12
New York
Son
Male
7
New York
Father-in-law
Male
87
Russia
Servant
Female
47
Russia
Servant
Female
26
Austria

If you search each of their names at www.familysearch.org you will find much more information.

Good luck in your search,

Sherri Bobish