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Posthumous baptisms and privacy concerns #general


YaleZuss@...
 

Making posthumous baptisms public is the root of the problem.  Mormons should understand why non-Mormons consider this practice offensive and refrain from it, but if they feel religiously obligated to pursue it, I see no reason why they should insist on making it public: That offends for no credible reason.  
 
I don't have a direct line to the Almighty, but I suspect He understands that this practice cannot be held against the soul of any deceased person. 
 
Yale Zussman



janicemsj@...
 

As I understand it, to some degree, there have been efforts to keep it from being publicly known.  That has actually become part of the problem, however.

As mentioned by the previous poster, the church has promised to stop performing posthumous baptisms.  From what I have been told, this promise has been made more than once.  And the result was that the practice was not stopped but was made private, or at least the attempt was made.  But somehow -- and how I do not know -- it was discovered that the practice was continuing, and then the uproar began again.  And the cycle has repeated multiple times.

On a practical level, we all should assume that the practice will continue whether we see it or not, because as I wrote in my earlier post, it is part of the LDS religion.  Church members are not going to stop performing posthumous baptisms, because they believe it is the only way for other people's souls to have the possibility of being saved.  Period.  It's going to keep happening.

Don't take this the wrong way, but you should also assume that every person who appears in FamilyTree or in any record on FamilySearch has had a posthumous baptism performed for him.  Again, there is nothing we an do to prevent this.

Since it is beyond our abilities to control the actions of others in this situation, we must look to control our own actions and reactions.  So I will repeat what I wrote earlier.

If you don't believe it, it doesn't matter.

I am not offended if someone wishes me merry Christmas, because that person is simply passing on his version of good wishes.  I am not offended to know that my ancestors and collateral relatives whom I find in records on FamilySearch have had posthumous baptisms performed, because the people who did so sincerely believe that it will be good for them, a different version of good wishes, if you will.  It changes nothing that happened in my family members' lives or anything about them.  I consider it to be ineffective, but not offensive.

And I agree with what Yale Zussman said in his message.  Whatever beliefs you have, and whichever version of God/the Almighty you believe in, if your beliefs are the correct ones, then "He understands that this practice cannot be held against the soul of any deceased person."

I claim no special knowledge of whether any particular religion has the "correct" beliefs, and I hope you understand I am not trying to argue whether Jews or LDS members might be the group that has it right.  I am not arrogant enough to believe I have such special insight that I managed to pick the right side.

Janice M. Sellers
Ancestral Discoveries
Gresham, Oregon

On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 6:21 AM YaleZuss via groups.jewishgen.org <YaleZuss=aol.com@...> wrote:
> Making posthumous baptisms public is the root of the problem.  Mormons should understand why non-Mormons consider this practice offensive and refrain from it, but if they feel religiously obligated to pursue it, I see no reason why they should insist on making it public: That offends for no credible reason. 
> I don't have a direct line to the Almighty, but I suspect He understands that this practice cannot be held against the soul of any deceased person.

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Everything turns out all right in the end. If it's not all right, it's not the end.


Irene Newhouse
 

If memory serves me correctly, the LDS promised not to baptize people who have no relationship to their 'sponsor'.  However, the reason the Family History Library exists at all is because LDS members have a religious duty to baptize their ancestors - it's how their souls can go to Heaven from a spiritual waiting room if they lived before there was an LDS church. They have not stopped doing that. It may be some people are still secretly baptizing people unrelated to them, but it's more likely baptisms you come across have been recorded by descendants who converted to LDS. 
 
Irene Newhouse
Kihei HI USA