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Potato Latkes...are you Litvak or Galitizianer? #galicia #lithuania


Joan Parker
 

Recent posts about Galicia brought to this senior's mind from the distant past... what you put on your latkes showed from whence the family came, or so the story vaguely goes for me.  Apple sauce?  Sour Cream?  Something else? Having a sweet tooth my choice was applesauce, but others used sour cream as far as I can remember from way back when..  Applesauce  = ???  Sourcream = ???  Something else = ???
 
My family is from Brest (Litovsk), Belarus; Grodno, Russia; Russia-Poland.  My in-laws were from  Berezin/Bresin, Kodima, Minsk, Belarus.
Stay safe and well,
Joan
Joan Parker
Past President/Archivist
JGS of Greater Miami, Inc.
1) GOLDBERG/ GOULD, GOODSTEIN/GUDSTEIN, BERGER, GERBER/CRAWFORD, JAGODA-Lipno, Plonsk, Plock, Poland-Russia; Warsaw, Poland-Russia; Galveston, TX; Bronx and Brooklyn, NY, Portland, OR, Los Angeles/Hollywood, CA.
2)  PARKER/PINKUS, WINOGRAD, (GERSHO-BEROVNA?)., R0SEN, -Brest (Litovsk), Belarus; Grodno, Russia; Bronx and Brooklyn, NY. WEISS, NEIKRUG, DEL PINO--Brooklyn, NY.  RABWIN--Hollywood, CA, Salt Lake City, UT. CLAYTON-California.
3) GELFAND, KRITZOFF, KATZ, TROCK --Berezin/Bresin, Kodima, Minsk, Belarus, Bronx, NY, Miami and Miami Beach, FL.



Eric Davis
 

Your family and most of mine are considered Litvak which usually preferred sweet to savory. Litvak is based on the Polish term for the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, Litwe which is pronounced as Litva. Also included is the eastern most part of Poland including Bialystok which was switched from the Grand Duchy part of the Commonwealth to the Polish Kingdom part by Stefan Bathory as Lithuania weakened.









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Judy Floam
 

I have heard that Galitzianers like their gefilte fish sweet and Litvaks don’t.   But I have no Litvaks in my family tree (that I know of) and I much prefer my gefilte fish not-sweet.  So who knows?

 

Judy Floam

Baltimore


Judy Floam
 

Is Minsk Gubernia (towns near Slutsk) considered “Litvak”?   That’s where my mother’s family is from.

Judy Floam


Elise Cundiff
 

My father's family were Litvaks, from Malat and Salakas;    His mother served us applesauce on latkes, and sour cream on bananas.    I never had gefilte fish.

Elise Cundiff


Diane Jacobs
 

My mother made the best potato  latkes
And we never put anything on them, just grabbed them out of the frying pan as they were done. 

Diane Jacobs

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-------- Original message --------
From: Joan Parker <parker5850@...>
Date: 8/16/20 5:41 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: Jewishgen <main@...>
Subject: [JewishGen.org] Potato Latkes...are you Litvak or Galitizianer? #galicia #lithuania

Recent posts about Galicia brought to this senior's mind from the distant past... what you put on your latkes showed from whence the family came, or so the story vaguely goes for me.  Apple sauce?  Sour Cream?  Something else? Having a sweet tooth my choice was applesauce, but others used sour cream as far as I can remember from way back when..  Applesauce  = ???  Sourcream = ???  Something else = ???
 
My family is from Brest (Litovsk), Belarus; Grodno, Russia; Russia-Poland.  My in-laws were from  Berezin/Bresin, Kodima, Minsk, Belarus.
Stay safe and well,
Joan
Joan Parker
Past President/Archivist
JGS of Greater Miami, Inc.
1) GOLDBERG/ GOULD, GOODSTEIN/GUDSTEIN, BERGER, GERBER/CRAWFORD, JAGODA-Lipno, Plonsk, Plock, Poland-Russia; Warsaw, Poland-Russia; Galveston, TX; Bronx and Brooklyn, NY, Portland, OR, Los Angeles/Hollywood, CA.
2)  PARKER/PINKUS, WINOGRAD, (GERSHO-BEROVNA?)., R0SEN, -Brest (Litovsk), Belarus; Grodno, Russia; Bronx and Brooklyn, NY. WEISS, NEIKRUG, DEL PINO--Brooklyn, NY.  RABWIN--Hollywood, CA, Salt Lake City, UT. CLAYTON-California.
3) GELFAND, KRITZOFF, KATZ, TROCK --Berezin/Bresin, Kodima, Minsk, Belarus, Bronx, NY, Miami and Miami Beach, FL.



--
Diane Jacobs, Somerset, New Jersey


Efraim
 

On Sun, Aug 16, 2020 at 05:45 PM, Joan Parker wrote:
Recent posts about Galicia brought to this senior's mind from the distant past... what you put on your latkes showed from whence the family came, or so the story vaguely goes for me.  Apple sauce?  Sour Cream?  Something else? Having a sweet tooth my choice was applesauce, but others used sour cream as far as I can remember from way back when..  Applesauce  = ???  Sourcream = ???  Something else = ???
 
My family is from Brest (Litovsk), Belarus; Grodno, Russia; Russia-Poland.  My in-laws were from  Berezin/Bresin, Kodima, Minsk, Belarus.
Stay safe and well,
Joan
Joan Parker
Past President/Archivist
JGS of Greater Miami, Inc.
1) GOLDBERG/ GOULD, GOODSTEIN/GUDSTEIN, BERGER, GERBER/CRAWFORD, JAGODA-Lipno, Plonsk, Plock, Poland-Russia; Warsaw, Poland-Russia; Galveston, TX; Bronx and Brooklyn, NY, Portland, OR, Los Angeles/Hollywood, CA.
2)  PARKER/PINKUS, WINOGRAD, (GERSHO-BEROVNA?)., R0SEN, -Brest (Litovsk), Belarus; Grodno, Russia; Bronx and Brooklyn, NY. WEISS, NEIKRUG, DEL PINO--Brooklyn, NY.  RABWIN--Hollywood, CA, Salt Lake City, UT. CLAYTON-California.
3) GELFAND, KRITZOFF, KATZ, TROCK --Berezin/Bresin, Kodima, Minsk, Belarus, Bronx, NY, Miami and Miami Beach, FL.

I love latkes and always used just salt and nothing else. I was born in Proskurov, Ukraine. 


Jules Levin
 

I'm pure Litvak on all sides and it was apple sauce all the way. Sour
cream means you only eat latkes with diary meals.  Side note: I have
spent several months in Lithuania over the years. "Kugelis" was
considered a Jewish dish, and it was always on the menu at the Vilnius
State University cafeteria.  It was just like my mother's kugel!  On one
visit I stated with the yiddish writer Gregory Kanovich.  His Lithuanian
wife taught me how to make the real thing.  I will share the secret with
anyone who writes me for it.

Jules Levin


On 8/17/2020 6:14 AM, Diane Jacobs wrote:
My mother made the best potato  latkes
And we never put anything on them, just grabbed them out of the frying
pan as they were done.

Diane Jacobs

Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

-------- Original message --------
From: Joan Parker <parker5850@...>
Date: 8/16/20 5:41 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: Jewishgen <main@...>
Subject: [JewishGen.org] Potato Latkes...are you Litvak or
Galitizianer? #galicia #lithuania

Recent posts about Galicia brought to this senior's mind from the
distant past... what you put on your latkes showed from whence the
family came, or so the story vaguely goes for me.  Apple sauce?  Sour
Cream?  Something else? Having a sweet tooth my choice was applesauce,
but others used sour cream as far as I can remember from way back
when..  Applesauce  = ??? Sourcream = ???  Something else = ???
My family is from Brest (Litovsk), Belarus; Grodno, Russia;
Russia-Poland. My in-laws were from  Berezin/Bresin, Kodima, Minsk,
Belarus.
Stay safe and well,
Joan
Joan Parker
Past President/Archivist
JGS of Greater Miami, Inc.
*1) GOLDBERG/ GOULD, GOODSTEIN/GUDSTEIN, BERGER, GERBER/CRAWFORD,
JAGOD*A-Lipno, Plonsk, Plock, Poland-Russia; Warsaw, Poland-Russia;
Galveston, TX; Bronx and Brooklyn, NY, Portland, OR, Los
Angeles/Hollywood, CA.
*2) PARKER/PINKUS, WINOGRAD, (GERSHO-BEROVNA?)., R0SEN*, -Brest
(Litovsk), Belarus; Grodno, Russia; Bronx and Brooklyn, NY. *WEISS,
NEIKRUG, DEL PINO*--Brooklyn, NY. *RABWIN*--Hollywood, CA, Salt Lake
City, UT*. CLAYTON-*California*.*
*3) GELFAND, KRITZOFF, KATZ, TROCK* --Berezin/Bresin, Kodima, Minsk,
Belarus, Bronx, NY, Miami and Miami Beach, FL.



--
Diane Jacobs, Somerset, New Jersey


jschonholz@...
 

My family from Krynki, Russia/Poland put sugar on the pancakes!


j
 

Galicia natives are supposed to have a sweet tooth and went with apple sauce on the Latke's.  Litvaks chose sour cream. Since I'm sides, my yiddish pronunciation for the few words I know is very erratic. I think the difference may be whether the latke's are served with diary or meat.


Shelley Mitchell
 

My mother from Galicia put apple sauce on latkes and sour cream was mixed in with sliced bananas on dairy night. 

My Litvak father ate what he was given with no complaints. Best gefilte fish was all whitefish and blintzes were cherry or cheese with nothing on top. I hated borscht which upset my Litvak gmother. 


Lee Jaffe
 

My Yiddish teacher told us that the preference for sweet vs. savory corresponds to distinct Yiddish dialects.  He said that it's called the "Geflite Fish Line."

BTW, there is a great scene in Amos Oz's A Tale of Love and Darkness where one of his grandmothers complains about how sweet the other grandmother's cooking is. 

Lee Jaffe


Alyssa Freeman
 

I've never heard of this distinction. I have one great-grandmother who was Galitzianer. I'm about 35% Lithuanian and 50% Russian. I've always eaten my latkes with applesauce (if I put anything on them at all). I hate sour cream.

Alyssa Freeman
Richmond, Va
 


Susan Megerman
 

My mother's family came from Suchowola near Grodno (Poland/Russia) and we had applesauce and sometimes sour cream but sour cream on bananas always. I still like bananas, but now with yogurt. I have many kugel recipes, but would love yours. 


Louis777@...
 

My mother (z"l) was pure Litvak and we grew up eating potato latkes with sour cream.  If Litvaks were supposed to eat latkes with applesauce, she didn't know that
or used the sour cream only to please my father (z"l), who was pure Ukrainer.  I doubt it that, though, because he was strictly a meat and potatoes man and I can't recall
him ever eating the latkes, even on Chanuka! 

Oh yes, my mother, who spoke fluent Russian as well as Yiddish and English, always spoke of "borshch" rather than "borsht."  Borshch is the
Russian pronunciation.  My father understood Russian more than he spoke it, but he and my mother used Russian, when they spoke of things the kids were not
supposed to understand.  We kids spoke English and Yiddish.


Joan Parker
 

  I forgot about sugar... we did too, applesauce and as in other posts...bananas and sour cream still one of my favorite noshes to this day.
Joan Parker
Past President/Archivist
JGS of Greater Miami, Inc.
1) GOLDBERG/ GOULD, GOODSTEIN/GUDSTEIN, BERGER, GERBER/CRAWFORD, JAGODA-Lipno, Plonsk, Plock, Poland-Russia; Warsaw, Poland-Russia; Galveston, TX; Bronx and Brooklyn, NY, Portland, OR, Los Angeles/Hollywood, CA.
2)  PARKER/PINKUS, WINOGRAD, (GERSHO-BEROVNA?)., R0SEN, -Brest (Litovsk), Belarus; Grodno, Russia; Bronx and Brooklyn, NY. WEISS, NEIKRUG, DEL PINO--Brooklyn, NY.  RABWIN--Hollywood, CA, Salt Lake City, UT. CLAYTON-California.
3) GELFAND, KRITZOFF, KATZ, TROCK --Berezin/Bresin, Kodima, Minsk, Belarus, Bronx, NY, Miami and Miami Beach, FL.



judieson@...
 

Sourcream was a mainstay in my childhood,for anything,but in particular for latkes and for blintz souffles. But it was the pronunciation of the word latkes which differentiated Galizianer from Litvak.  In our home, it was latkuhs ...our maternal side was from Hungary/Czech Republic and perhaps Saatmar; our paternal side was from Lomza Gybernia,Poland..two styles of Yiddish.  In the home of a cousin by marriage, it was latkees. Delicious, regardless.    Judie Cynkus Rice searching Schwartz/Weiss/Klein/Gross/Ungar;Cynkus/Cinkiewicz/Windenberg/Bundendepr
 

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Steven Usdansky
 

 My maternal grandfather's parents were Galitizianers, my maternal grandmother's parents and my father's parents were from places within the Minsk Gubernia. So it's always both.


Shirley Holton
 

In my family we always ate them either just with salt or chreyn (the Russian chren) - horeseraddish and beetroot condiment. Delicious. My husband whose father was a Galitzianer from Lvov says they ate them with apple sauce. My family are Litvaks - from Simnas in Suwalki gubernia.
Shirley Holton


anita.orsino@...
 

My paternal grandparents are from Poland/Galicia.  I like both applesauce and sour cream on my latkes.  That just makes me greedy.

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