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Privacy and Baptism Concerns #general


Jack de Lowe
 

RE: https://groups.jewishgen.org/g/main/topic/77831414

 

Regarding the concerns expressed by Bill Katz (see the above link) about of the LDS Church and their pernicious interest in Jews (especially dead Jews), this is a very long story of broken promises by the Mormons (see: https://www.jta.org/2008/11/13/united-states/survivors-say-mormons-reneging-on-1995-baptism-pledge). The LDS Church collects every record they can find on Jewish genealogy from around the world and they make this information available to all without charge and encourage people to add information to the Jewish family trees they have.

 

Ernest Michel was my cousin, an Auschwitz survivor, the former professional director of the Jewish Federation of Manhattan (the largest Federation in the United States) and the founder and head of the Gathering of Jewish Holocaust Survivors. While working on his own family tree, he discovered that the Mormon Church had posthumously converted his own parents who were both murdered during the Shoah. He met on more than one occasion with the then head of the LDS Church and received very explicit promises to not only cease this practice, but to also correct any and all such changes that the LDS Church had done. The LDS Church did not follow through on any of these promises and to this day, continue with this disgusting practice. They have never made clear why they do this, but they seem to have an abnormal interest in Jews and one can only speculate where this interest has led them.

 

I would urge all Jewish genealogists to refrain from accessing all websites associated with the LDS Church and to not provide them with any information on your family trees.

 

Jack de Lowe

Pardes Hanna-Karkur, Israel

 

 

 


janicemsj@...
 

On Tue, Nov 10, 2020 at 5:34 AM Jack de Lowe <delowe@...> wrote:
> RE: https://groups.jewishgen.org/g/main/topic/77831414
> Regarding the concerns expressed by Bill Katz (see the above link) about of the LDS Church and their pernicious interest in Jews (especially dead Jews), this is a very long story of broken promises by the Mormons (see: https://www.jta.org/2008/11/13/united-states/survivors-say-mormons-reneging-on-1995-baptism-pledge). The LDS Church collects every record they can find on Jewish genealogy from around the world and they make this information available to all without charge and encourage people to add information to the Jewish family trees they have.

To be more accurate, the LDS church collects every record it can find on **everyone** for all genealogy from around the world and makes that information available to all without charge.  It also encourages people to add information to **all** the family trees it has.

> Ernest Michel was my cousin, an Auschwitz survivor, the former professional director of the Jewish Federation of Manhattan (the largest Federation in the United States) and the founder and head of the Gathering of Jewish Holocaust Survivors. While working on his own family tree, he discovered that the Mormon Church had posthumously converted his own parents who were both murdered during the Shoah. He met on more than one occasion with the then head of the LDS Church and received very explicit promises to not only cease this practice, but to also correct any and all such changes that the LDS Church had done. The LDS Church did not follow through on any of these promises and to this day, continue with this disgusting practice. They have never made clear why they do this, but they seem to have an abnormal interest in Jews and one can only speculate where this interest has led them.

It is very clear why the LDS church encourages its member to perform posthumous baptisms (which as far as I can tell based on my research do not actually convert someone, but that is a separate issue).  **It's part of the religion.**  There is **nothing** we can say or do that is going to change that.  Church members firmly believe posthumous baptism is a necessary practice to allow the possibility that anyone's soul (not just those of Jews) can be allowed into their belief of Heaven.  Trying to get anyone to change his belief in religion, or in a specific practice of his religion, is fruitless.

> I would urge all Jewish genealogists to refrain from accessing all websites associated with the LDS Church and to not provide them with any information on your family trees.

Keep in mind that if you refrain from accessing all sites associated with the LDS church, you are cutting yourself off from the extremely valuable and free resource of FamilySearch.org.

If you are concerned about posthumous baptisms performed on your family members, then certainly, don't provide the church with information from your family tree.  You can use FamilySearch forever and not add family members to FamilyTree.  But also don't put that information **anywhere else online**, including Ancestry, MyHeritage, Geni, and your own personal site, because information is harvested from any and all sources relating to genealogy, wherever people find information.

My personal opinion, which I repeat to anyone when this issue arises (again and again) and even incorporate into the genealogy classes I teach, is if you don't believe in the practice, then it has no meaning in your life.  Let it go.  Church members will not stop performing posthumous baptisms, period.

Are you offended if someone says "God bless you" or wishes you a merry Christmas?  That is the category in which I place posthumous baptism.

Janice M. Sellers
Ancestral Discoveries
Gresham, Oregon

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