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Question about home town #lithuania #russia
Alan Gordon
Hello,
. I have read these as “Ragowsky” and “Wexne,” but I could be totally mistaken. I believe they were
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I’m struggling to identify the birthdate and home town of my grandfather, Samuel Gordon (Nothe) and his father (Jossel).
None of my fairly extensive research has been helpful. However, I have discovered two entries in the Hamburg Passenger
Lists, 2 June 1891. There is an entry for Jossel under the heading "Bisheriger Wohnort.” I believe this refers to home town,
or at least I hope it does. It reads 
There is also an entry which is recorded in the same
There is also an entry which is recorded in the samecolumn next to the name of his daughter, my grandfather’s sister, Ida (Chain) Gordon, albeit on a different page. Her listing is
. I have read these as “Ragowsky” and “Wexne,” but I could be totally mistaken. I believe they wereboth born in either Lithuania or Russia, Joseph around 1836 and Ida in 1874. Can you please help?
Thanks, Alan Gordon
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Sherri Bobish
Alan,
Here is my thought process & the small bit of research that I just did. Of course, you would have to do more research to prove or disprove my theory.
Note that Google translates Bisheriger Wohnort as previous place of residence, which may or may not also be the person's place of birth.
My guess is the town of Raguva (today in Lithuania, and at the time of your manifest, in The Russian Empire.)
When "sky or ski or skij, etc" are added to a surname it indicates the person came from that place, so RAGOWSKY as a surname could mean someone that came from Raguva. He could have been trying to say that he came from that place, even though Ragowsky was not his name. I've seen crazier things on manifests!
A search at The JewishGen Unified Database find the following in the database:
Your Nothe ben Jossel could have been named after this Jossel's father Nosel. Hence, the Jossel in the above record could possibly be your Nothe's father.
Here is my thought process & the small bit of research that I just did. Of course, you would have to do more research to prove or disprove my theory.
Note that Google translates Bisheriger Wohnort as previous place of residence, which may or may not also be the person's place of birth.
My guess is the town of Raguva (today in Lithuania, and at the time of your manifest, in The Russian Empire.)
When "sky or ski or skij, etc" are added to a surname it indicates the person came from that place, so RAGOWSKY as a surname could mean someone that came from Raguva. He could have been trying to say that he came from that place, even though Ragowsky was not his name. I've seen crazier things on manifests!
Alternate names: Raguva [Lith], Rogeve [Yid], Rogovo [Rus], Rogów [Pol], Ragova, Rogov, Raguvos, Ragowo
Region: Kovno
At the time of your manifest the town of Raguva was in the Vilkomir district, hence “Wexne” might be Vilkomir.| Before WWI (c. 1900): | Rogovo | Vilkomir |
A search at The JewishGen Unified Database find the following in the database:
Lithuania Taxpayers and Voters
| Name | Father Age or Date of Birth |
Type of Record Date (D‑M‑Y) |
Town Uyezd Gubernia |
Archive/Fond/ Inventory/File Page # Record # Film link Image # |
Comments Credit |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
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| GORDON, Iosel | Nosel |
unable to pay 13 - Dec - 1896 |
Raguva Ukmerge Kaunas |
KRA/I-49/1a/387 10 53 |
This record is from the LitvakSIG All Lithuania Database (about LitvakSIG) |
Your Nothe ben Jossel could have been named after this Jossel's father Nosel. Hence, the Jossel in the above record could possibly be your Nothe's father.
Good luck in your search,
Sherri Bobish
Searching: RATOWSKY / CHAIMSON (Ariogala, Lith.)
WALTZMAN (Ustrzyki Dolne, Pol.)
LEVY (Tyrawa Woloska, Pol.)
LEFFENFELD (Daliowa & Jasliska, Pol.)
BOJDA / BLEIWIESS (Tarnow & Tarnobrzeg, Pol.)
SOKOLSKY / SOLON / SOLAN (Grodek, Bialystok, Pol.)
BOBISH (your guess is as good as mine! LOL)
WALTZMAN (Ustrzyki Dolne, Pol.)
LEVY (Tyrawa Woloska, Pol.)
LEFFENFELD (Daliowa & Jasliska, Pol.)
BOJDA / BLEIWIESS (Tarnow & Tarnobrzeg, Pol.)
SOKOLSKY / SOLON / SOLAN (Grodek, Bialystok, Pol.)
BOBISH (your guess is as good as mine! LOL)
Elise Cundiff
I read the second one as Wiscne - doing a "sounds like" search on JG comes up with:
Elise Cundiff
Searching: residents of Zelva, Moletai, Salakas & nearby who became members of the Abraham Raphael Family Ferein, Cleveland, OH
| Wizna, Poland 53°12' N 22°23' E 88 miles NE of Warszawa |
Wizna [Pol], Vizhna [Yid], Vizna [Rus], Wyzne | Wizna Poland |
Wizna Łomża Białystok Poland |
Wizna Łomża Łomża Russian Empire |
Elise Cundiff
Searching: residents of Zelva, Moletai, Salakas & nearby who became members of the Abraham Raphael Family Ferein, Cleveland, OH