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Sharing family tree information #general


Carolyn Lea
 

Judy Russell does not say it is ok to take other's research and post as your own without credit. Here is just one example: legalgenealogist.com/2017/09/27/don't-just-take/ 
which I have quoted part of below.

While it is true that facts are not can not be copyrighted - such as date of death, etc.- it is true that  as Judy says, "Taking someone else’s work and using it ourselves — even if it’s not for commercial gain — isn’t sharing.

It’s theft.

And it’s wrong.

It violates every ethics code our community has:

• The National Genealogical Society’s Guidelines for Sharing Information with Others notes that “responsible family historians consistently— identify the sources for all ideas, information and data from others, and the form in which they were received, recognizing that the unattributed use of another’s intellectual work is plagiarism.4

• The Code of Conduct of the International Association of Jewish Genealogical Societies provides that “If data presented relies on work already previously undertaken, proper credit for such work should be given to the originator…”5

• The code of ethics of the Board for Certification of Genealogists requires Board-certified genealogists to pledge that: “I will not represent as my own the work of another. … In citing another’s work, I will give proper credit.”6

 

• The code of ethics of the Association of Professional Genealogists requires members to promise to “Give proper credit to the work of others and refrain from plagiarism.”7

Why would anyone want to write a nonfiction book if their time/perspective/ input left their research and conception of events open to plagiarism? 

I am glad you brought this up so we could discuss it. 

Carolyn Lea (Schwarzbaum)


Theo Rafael
 

It seems that people get too hung up on "my work, my tree". It's not a contest of who has the largest or "the best" tree, though some seem to go that route. I think of it more in terms of uncovering the truth. 
Yes, you put in many years of research and built a well documented ancestors' tree, are you going to take it to the grave? What's the use of having it hidden or only shown in private to a few? It's your right of course to do that, but I would lighten up and think of it more in terms of researchers displaying/publishing their work for all to see.
I think that quite the contrary, having your research out in the open especially if you have done a great job with proper documentation, will correct errors that others may introduce now or in the future and will survive the test of time... This could be of particular interest when remote relatives bump into your research now or years later...
I for myself am very thankful to a couple of relatives that worked on their tree and made it possible for me years later to connect my research to theirs, many years after they have expired...
Obviously that's my opinion, quite a few seem to disagree.

Theo Rafael

Searching:
RAFAEL - Algyogy/Geoagiu and related Hunyad/Hunedoara county towns in Transylvania (Romania / Hungary / Austria-Hungary empire)
DEUTSCH -Ókanizsa / Magyarkanizsa / Kanjiza in Serbia / former Austria-Hungary and Yugoslavia.
MARMOR, SPITZ, KOHN, HERZLINGER in the Transylvania region
BLEICHER (Moldova/Bukovina), etc


Faye Detsky-Weil
 

I try to establish a direct relationship between myself and the person asking.  I don't share living people with the person looking at my tree unless I know we are related and can verify it with other relatives.  Of course I have to be able to see their tree, as well.  Once I feel comfortable that we really are related via ancestors, I am happy to share.

I was amazed to see that someone put a large part of the family tree on JewishGen, including living people and their children. I am a bit concerned about this.


Sarah L Meyer
 

I give them a link to my online tree on my website.  It does not allow download of gedcoms, shows only names and no data for living people.  And some living people are privatized, upon request.  There are some photos there (none - of living people).  I strongly recommend to ALL companies that mother's maiden name is a TERRIBLE security question - and require a second one - often the name of a first pet.  When given choices for security questions - I avoid all questions about relatives - such as your father's middle name, if at all possible.  Cars, proms, streets lived on, pets, schools attended etc - all much better questions.
--
Sarah L Meyer
Georgetown TX
ANK(I)ER, BIGOS, KARMELEK, PERLSTADT, STOKFISZ, SZPIL(T)BAUM, Poland
BIRGARDOVSKY, EDELBERG, HITE (CHAIT), PERCHIK Russia (southern Ukraine) and some Latvia or Lithuania
https://www.sarahsgenies.com


David Syner
 

hi Hilary,
i saw you are also Researching Berlin in Mogilev. i'm researching Berlin's ( BELENKY / BIELINKA /BERLINSKY) that arrived and lived in Detroit from Mogilev. Yours? 
Mogilev - BERLIN;  BELIISKI;  HENKIN - GENKIN;  MESCENIKOV;  POZ - POZE


Hilary Henkin
 

Maybe --.  My great-grandmother was Hilda (Hinde) Berlin, daughter of Leib Berlin.  She was born about April 1869, and had six siblings, born about 1868-1896.  There was Hirsche, Hilda, Matta, Yahuda, Ruven, Solomon and Welka.  I know about her and Welka (William), but nothing about the rest.

Two of her sons ended up in Toronto, and brought her in 1908.  Willie came over in 1913.  They all moved to Detroit in the late teens, then moved back to Toronto after WWI, then to Los Angeles about 1923. 

Were there cousins in Detroit?  I'd love to find out.

I have more details, didn't want to write a missive at the moment.  If you need more, let me know, or if anything sounds familiar.

Hilary

On 6/7/2020 7:29 PM, David Syner wrote:
hi Hilary,
i saw you are also Researching Berlin in Mogilev. i'm researching Berlin's ( BELENKY / BIELINKA /BERLINSKY) that arrived and lived in Detroit from Mogilev. Yours? 
Mogilev - BERLIN;  BELIISKI;  HENKIN - GENKIN;  MESCENIKOV;  POZ - POZE


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Hilary Henkin
 

Greetings all,
While choosing a less accessible security question is certainly an option, there's no requirement that you provide the "correct" answer to any question.  For example, I could choose the "mother's maiden name" question, but assign the answer Orangey or Fido. 

Just saying....

Hilary Henkin

On 5/28/2020 10:05 AM, Sarah L Meyer wrote:
I give them a link to my online tree on my website.  It does not allow download of gedcoms, shows only names and no data for living people.  And some living people are privatized, upon request.  There are some photos there (none - of living people).  I strongly recommend to ALL companies that mother's maiden name is a TERRIBLE security question - and require a second one - often the name of a first pet.  When given choices for security questions - I avoid all questions about relatives - such as your father's middle name, if at all possible.  Cars, proms, streets lived on, pets, schools attended etc - all much better questions.
--
Sarah L Meyer
Georgetown TX
ANK(I)ER, BIGOS, KARMELEK, PERLSTADT, STOKFISZ, SZPIL(T)BAUM, Poland
BIRGARDOVSKY, EDELBERG, HITE (CHAIT), PERCHIK Russia (southern Ukraine) and some Latvia or Lithuania
https://www.sarahsgenies.com


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mab@...
 

Emily - 

Looking at the article by Jim Tanner, I wonder about the validity of the copyright notice that Ancestry.com puts on the information on its website.  I had always assumed that their copyright notice on the original document did not apply, especially in the case of US Census documents.  However, I had presumed, perhaps incorrectly, that their summary of the information was subject to this limitation.

- Miriam Alexander Baker


jbonline1111@...
 

This has been very thoroughly answered with only one exception: identity theft is not limited to living people.  I would not share much about deceased people unless I can verify a relationship because those names can be used for identity theft. 
--
Barbara Sloan
Conway, SC


Lee Jaffe
 

If you don't mind hearing a perspective from the other side of the fence, I'm having problems getting information from relatives that would help fill in branches of our family tree.  I've recently made connections with cousins scattered around the country and have asked for their help with gaps in the record since some family connections have lapsed once earlier generations have passed away.  As a sign of my goodwill and valid connection I've shared an outline of my branch, with an offer to answer their questions, and hoped they would reciprocate. 

So far I've received very little help.  Initially they are excited at making the connection and seem eager to share family information.  In some cases, we've talked on the phone and exchanged some photos and documents, but those exchanges dry up quickly.  And I've yet to get any information that would actually help me fill in the tree.  In one case it took 3 tries to get a cousin to identify which of my great-grandfather's siblings he's descended from.  And I still don't know his parents' names or his siblings, partner, or children.  Ironically, I get the most help when people on one branch name names in another branch – e.g., "I'm not in touch with Hal but we talk to his sister Susan once in a while."  Bingo!  I now know Hal has a sister named Susan.  This is how I found out that a HS classmate was a second cousin, when another second cousin reported on the other branch, but nothing about her own family.

Maybe I need to be more explicit about protecting their privacy.  I hadn't considered that this might be an issue until reading this thread.  I've been so excited and encouraged by making these connections it never occurred to me that long-lost family – who seemed equally excited by the connection – would be so reticent to share.  No one has said that they don't want to be included in the tree or that they had privacy concerns.  But perhaps if I take that issue off the table right up front, that would be one less hurdle to sharing.  

Lee Jaffe
JAFFE > Suchowola, Poland
STEIN > Grodno, Bialystok, Poland
LUDWINOWSKA and BRAUN > Wizajny, Poland
JOROFF and KOSHKIN > Snovsk, Ukraine
SCHWARTZ > Perth Amboy, NJ


Selma Sheridan
 

As a newbie researcher, I chanced upon an online family tree of a cousin's ancestors, set up by someone I didn't know.  I emailed the tree's owner, thanked him for all his work, and offered to send more information, to which he eagerly agreed.  Soon the tree correctly contained the details which I had provided, without  attribution; nor was any notice sent separately to me.  I emailed the owner to ask about his protocol in a situation such as this.  He replied defensively that he had "no obligation of any sort" to me - "after all, it's MY tree".  True, - but it seems that here was a "taker" with a sense of entitlement and perhaps poor manners as well.  Happily, all my other experiences with family tree researchers have been wonderful.
Selma Sheridan
Oswego NY


Susan stone
 

Robert....I post photos of children but no one can see them if my tree is marked "private for living persons".  right?  Unless I send the tree to family and allow them to see living persons (check box).  
I have had several people recently who have found family members we had no  idea were even in our tree.  Very exciting but  a lot of work to dissect it all.  Especially when...one family is married to another family and all are related to me!
Pretty soon there are a lot of people over the generations with the same name.  How can people see living people if you have those marked "private".?

Susan Stone
Evanston, IL


Robert Hanna
 

Let me clarify.  I don't have children myself.  I was referring to children of relatives.  It's up to their parents what they choose to post.

Robert Hanna
NYC