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TEDESCO-Venice originally DEUTSCH from Austria? #Austria-Czech

Debbie Lifshitz
 

I've hit a brick wall.
My TEDESCO family lived in Venice at least from the early 1790s, perhaps before, but not long.
They appear on the initial Census of Jews circa 1898 as Todesco d'Autriche. After that they appear in later censuses as TEDESCO. All first names and ages match. The family definitely lived in the Ashkenazi ghetto and spoke Yiddish (as well as Italian).
On the other hand, Selig Goldschmidt of Frankfurt, whose daughter married a Tedesco, wrote in his autobiography that the TEDESCO family originally came from Baden and that their original name was DEUTSCH.
Problems: Jews were not allowed to live in Baden near Vienna before 1806 (Encyclopedia Judaica and The Encyclopedia of Jewish Life), therefore this is not where they came from.
Germany, of course has a region called Baden but I am not sure how to proceed given that this is a region and not a town. 
Also, if they did come from Vienna (rather than Baden), would there be any documentation?
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!
Debbie Lifschitz
Jerusalem

babycat3@...
 

My friend's paternal side are Tedesco.
Any idea if your Tedescos ever lived in Italy,  if so, the towns?  I will ask her the same when we next have contact.
Thank you, 
Barbara Klein Meyers 
babycat3@... 

Stephen Katz
 

Debbie Lifschitz asked about researching her anctstors with surnames Tedesco and Deutsch, who were possibly from Austria.

A great database for Austrian genealogical research is GenTeam. Its web address is genteam.org. I searched both "Deutsch" and "Tedesco" and came up with many entries both in Vienna ("Wien") and Lower Austria ("Niederoesterreich"), which includes Baden bei Wien. 

The GenTeam site is free, although you have to register. It does not reproduce the actual records, but it does give basic information concerning each entry.

I hope this helps.

Stephen Katz
Researching Katz (Novograd-Volynsk, Ukraine), Kaplan (Stakliskes, Lithuania), Vitkin (Kaunas, Lithuania), 

reuven.mohr@...
 

Debbie,
if Selig Goldschmidt's biography with Tedesco from Baden near Wien is not relevant, so also the former name Deutsch is probably not relevant. I think any German speaking Jew coming to Italy with or without a fixed last name might end up with the name Tedesco. 

Quite a few Jews from Hohenems moved to Italy (Trieste I know for sure). They would have been Austrians.

I'm aware that this is not making your research easier.

Reuven Mohr
Israel

dlaufer@...
 

My 2 x great grandmother Mirjam ESKZENASY (which also means DEUTSCH) was born in Vienna in 1813.  Her elder brother Naphtali ESKENASY born in Vienna in 1809, wrote to the Viennese authorities in Italian when challenging the will of his father.  They were part of the Sephardi community of Vienna.

David Laufer
Sydney, Australia

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Hi Debbie,
In Italian TEDESCO means German ( both the nation and the language)
Deutsch in German  is German ( both the nation and the language)
Therefore  It is safe to assume that upon arriving to Italy they simply made it easier to everyone and changed their German name to it’s Italian version.
 
About Vienna and the surrounding cities – I don’t know.
 
Deutsch is a very hard name to research -  being one I can tell you – My Deutsch branch is from Hungary ( Adand , Siofok)
 
Good luck
Nava Deutsch –Giron
Ramat- Gan