Tracking down death records in the US #usa


DBarany
 

Hello Everyone,

I am stumped searching for my great Aunt's death records. I can not find her death date or location.
I have a listing from the social security application and claims records with her social security claim and number. (The last name is spelled wrong on the index but that might be an error on the part of the LDS family search people.)
I have an idea about the range of years she might have passed, sometime between 1934-1936.
I have an idea about where she might have died- The Pilgrim Psychiatric Hospital in Islip New York

No one in my family has a clue about when or where she is buried- they do have a lot of bube meises which I am working on debunking.

So many questions:
I thought about a FOIA for her social security application. Would that include the date of her death?
Is there a way to find a copy of the claim?
Is there a list of inmates who died at the hospital?
Is there a list of inmates buried on the grounds of the hospital?
Is it possible that there are records of her stay at the hospital?

With gratitude for your help,
Deborah Barany
deborahbarany@...


Diane Jacobs
 

Have you tried the following:

FindAGrave
JOWBR on jewishgen.org
NYC , Nassau or Suffolk County Death Indexes

Good luck. 

Diane Jacobs 


On Aug 16, 2022, at 1:03 PM, DBarany <deborahbarany@...> wrote:



Hello Everyone,

I am stumped searching for my great Aunt's death records. I can not find her death date or location.
I have a listing from the social security application and claims records with her social security claim and number. (The last name is spelled wrong on the index but that might be an error on the part of the LDS family search people.)
I have an idea about the range of years she might have passed, sometime between 1934-1936.
I have an idea about where she might have died- The Pilgrim Psychiatric Hospital in Islip New York

No one in my family has a clue about when or where she is buried- they do have a lot of bube meises which I am working on debunking.

So many questions:
I thought about a FOIA for her social security application. Would that include the date of her death?
Is there a way to find a copy of the claim?
Is there a list of inmates who died at the hospital?
Is there a list of inmates buried on the grounds of the hospital?
Is it possible that there are records of her stay at the hospital?

With gratitude for your help,
Deborah Barany
deborahbarany@...


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Diane Jacobs, Somerset, New Jersey


Doris
 

Hi Deborah,
Social Security began in the US in 1935.
If she died around that time she might not have a social security card.
Best,
Doris
Doris Schapira
doris.schapira@...
Montclair, NJ USA


skparker@...
 

If you will Google Central Islip Pschiatric Hospital Cemetery, you will find articles about the Jewish Cemetery being the only thing left at this site.  The hospital opened in 1931 and closed in 1996 and was alternatively known as Islip Pschiatric Center,  and Central Islip State Hospital among other things. I tried to link the articles here, but it failed on a few. The Jewish Telegraphic News agency had a good one.  All articles were fairly recent.

https://www.tourolaw.edu/Academics/1238

https://forward.com/fast-forward/479262/numbers-jewish-graves-cemetary-central-islip-psychiatric-hospital-center/

There are 324 recorded burials at Central Islip State Hospital Grounds Cemetery on Find a grave as well
--
Sandra Parker  Normal Illinois


Renee Steinig
 

Responding to Deborah Barany's inquiry about her great-aunt's possible
death at the Pilgrim State Psychiatric Hospital on Long Island, Sandra
Parker <skparker@...> wrote:

<<If you will Google Central Islip Pschiatric Hospital Cemetery, you
will find articles about the Jewish Cemetery being the only thing left
at this site....>>

Central Islip and Pilgrim State hospitals were two different
institutions. Central Islip, as its name indicates, was located in
Central Islip, and Pilgrim is in Brentwood. Both locations -- about 6
miles apart -- are within the larger Town of Islip, which can lead to
some confusion.

Another large New York State psychiatric hospital on Long Island was
located in Kings Park.

Renee

Renee Stern Steinig
Dix Hills (Long Island) NY
genmaven@...


DBarany
 

This is very helpful. I am following the lead to Pilgrim Hospital because I have a 1940s census with an inmate who fits her description.
But it is possible that she was placed somewhere else...
It is a great adventure. I wish the records were made available but it is very hard to get them.



--
Deborah Barany
deborahbarany@...


DBarany
 

Sadly, nothing came up... My working hypothesis is she died at the hospital and no record was made public. 
--
Deborah Barany
deborahbarany@...


m_tobiasiewicz@...
 

If you found the information through ancestry.com on the social security death index, there is a link to "Request copy of original application" on the left hand side of the page. 

It leads you directly to this link: 
https://foiaonline.gov/foiaonline/action/public/home?URL=%2Fapps9%2FeFOIA-FEWeb%2Finternet%2Fmain.jsp

Good luck!
--
Maryellen Tobiasiewicz
m_tobiasiewicz@...
family from: Bielsko-Biala powiat Poland
Gorlice powiat Poland
Lviv Oblast Ukraine


skparker@...
 

Renee Stern Steinig is correct about them being different locations.  I apologize for my error. I did read in the articles that the Cemetery near Central Islip was used for burials from all three. There is potentially also a cemetery at Pilgrim itself. The Find a grave is simply an inventory of the numbered stones with no names attached.  I find it bizarre that the State of New York would isolate the death certificates of those who died at an institution from the rest of the deaths in the State, but it certainly seems to suggest that.   I think that would be a management nightmare for the State. I wonder if that practice has continued to this day?
Sandra Parker, Normal IL


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Sherri Bobish
 

Deborah,

Have you searched the NY State Death Index?
New York, State Death Index, 1880-1956
https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/2803479

If your aunt passed on in NY State during the years of the index (but outside of the five boro's of NYC) than her name should appear in the above index at familysearch.org.

If she passed on in NYC than there are separate indices to search, and they can be found at:
https://stevemorse.org/

If your aunt was born 1870 or later and was living in the mid-1930's than she may have filled out an SS5 (Original Social Security Application.)  If you think the person in the online database is your aunt than you may want to get a copy of the SS5 (it is not free.)  Instructions here:  https://www.ssa.gov/foia/request.html

I have seen names misspelled in the SSDI, so I imagine errors can occur in any database.

Have you checked online digitized newspapers for a possible death notice?
This one is free and is heavy on NY papers:
https://fultonhistory.com/Fulton.html
In a death notice / obit the name may be written as surname first, i.e. SMITH, Jane.

Do an exact search, otherwise you will get hits for any time the first or last name appears.

If you have a subscription than Newspapers.com is another place to search.

Good luck in your search,

Sherri Bobish

Searching:
RATOWSKY / CHAIMSON (Ariogala, Lith.); LEFFENFELD / FINK / KALTER (Daliowa & Jasliska, Pol.)
BOJDA / BLEIWEISS (Tarnow & Tarnobrzeg, Pol.); WALTZMAN / WALZMAN (Ustrzyki Dolne, Pol.)
LEVY (Tyrawa Woloska, Pol.); SOLON / SOLAN / SOKOLSKY (Grodek, Bialystok, Pol.)
BOBISH / BLUMENKRANZ / APPEL / WEINER / ROSENBERG (Vysoko-Litovsk, Brest, Biala Podlaska)


DBarany
 

I am so glad that there are a number of folks following this thread about patients living in the NY State psychiatric hospitals. 

Here is what I learned this week (caveat- this could change)
 
* Patients who died at Pilgrim State are not included in the NY State public death record 
* All records about patients are sealed for 100 years after their hospitalization which means I would have to wait until 2040
         Having said that I can write a letter to the medical record review board asking them to release her records. I am not the next of kin. She did not have children.
   
* Few graves are marked for patients who died at the hospital. (There is a project to identify Jewish graves at Central Islip) 
 
I contacted the museum and asked the archivist if she can do some digging (pun intended)
Finger crossed I find a crack in this brick wall

Thank you all for your continued interest
B'Shalom
Deborah
--
Deborah Barany
deborahbarany@...


Rita Geister Liegner
 

Hi Deborah,

My great aunt was at Pilgrim State in 1940 also.  According to the 1940 census, she was there as early as 1935. Oddly though, she is also listed on the 1940 census with her husband and son in the Bronx.  She died at Pilgrim in 1973 and did have social security number so I was able to access her death record on Familysearch.org.  Her death certificate is not available of course, and I have no idea where she is buried but assume is was on the grounds of Pilgrim State. 

I hope you find out something from the museum - I never thought to ask.  As for records, the State holds those in strict confidence and as I am not my great aunt's direct descendant and have no medical need for the information, I haven't pursued it.  I just wish I'd asked her sister (my grandmother) when I had the chance, but that shipped sailed a long time ago unfortunately.  Good luck and I look forward to hearing about any success you may have.

Rita Liegner
Ardsley, NY

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