Tulchyn, Vinnytsia, Ukraine #ukraine


Tammy Driver <110166tlj@...>
 

Hello all,

I'm new here, and hope that someone here can help me. I'm trying to help a cousin trace his family tree in Vinnytsia Ukraine. His nephew is convinced that the family is/was Jewish, and I'll find records in the Synagogue Records. 

I'm researching the KLASSOVSKY family, from the area of Tulchyn, Vinnytsia, Ukraine, during the time period of 1840-1890. There were 2 known sisters, Nadejda and Sophia. Their parents may have been Mikhail and Petruna Klassovsky.

Nadejda married Alexander Olshevsky. Their son  Leonid was born 5 Aug 1899. I don't know if they had any other children. Leonid changed his name to Leonard Alyson when he became a Naturalized US Citizen. He was living with Sophia in 1930, and was listed as her nephew on the census.

I'm looking for the name of Sophia's 1st husband, and their marriage date and place, as well as his date and place of birth, when and where he died, and his parents' names. He died before 1915. Sophia remarried, and immigrated to the US with her 2nd husband, and her 2 children in early 1916. The children took the step-father's name when their mother remarried.
Sophia was born in 1888 according to her US Naturalization records.

Thanks,
Tammy Driver


Jenniffer Hancock
 

On Wed, Jan 26, 2022 at 01:10 PM, Tammy Driver wrote:
Nadejda

The Tuchyn revision records are pretty good. They have almost 3,500 records in them. I was able to find my family, and siblings etc through them. I would do a search on JewishGen just using the town name and Ukrain and look through the entirety of it. Sometimes spellings can change enough that you don't pick it up when you put in the name, but you find the hominin  looking at the raw data.

The other thing I would do is go to Family Search - which is the mormon site and look at the church records for Tuchyn that haven't been indexed. Sometimes the church records include Jewish families. But more importantly, if he's not Jewish but from there, his family might be in there. 

Best of luck. 
 
--
Jennifer Hancock
Manatee County FL USA
Researching family in Pren LIthuania and Beltsy Moldova at the moment.


Tammy Driver <110166tlj@...>
 

Further to my original posting. Sophia's grandson and I are both on fixed incomes, and can't afford to pay anyone to do research.

Thanks,
Tammy Driver


Sherri Bobish
 

Tammy,

Try doing phonetic searches on surnames KLASSOVSKY and OLSHEVSKY at:
The JewishGen Unified Search:
https://www.jewishgen.org/databases/all/
You can search on surname only, town only, or surname and town at once, and other search combinations.

Be prepared to see the names spelled differently than you may expect.  Also, people moved from town to town for various reasons, so it's possible to find people in a different town.

Good luck in your search,
 
Sherri Bobish

Searching: RATOWSKY / CHAIMSON (Ariogala / Ragola, Lith.)
WALTZMAN / WALZMAN (Ustrzyki Dolne / Istryker, Pol.)
LEVY (Tyrawa Woloska, Pol.)
LEFFENFELD / LEFENFELD / FINK, KALTER (Daliowa/ Posada Jasliska, Pol.)
BOJDA / BERGER (Tarnobrzeg, Pol.)
SOKALSKY / SOLON / SOLAN / FINGER(MAN) (Grodek, Bialystok, Pol.)
BOBISH / APPEL (Odessa?)


mvayser@...
 

Klassovsky last name is not found among Eastern-European Jewish names at http://stevemorse.org/phonetics/beider.php.  There are 4 instances of people with this last name found in the Russian WWI database (https://gwar.mil.ru/) and none of these are Jewish.  Olshevsky name is more common and it was used by Poles, Russians, Ukrainians, as well, but there are 21 instances of this last name for WWI soldiers from the Podolia governorate and none of them are Jewish. Tulchin was part of the Bratslav uezd within the Podolia governorate.
Further, Leonard's petition for citizenship lists his race as Russian, every form that I've seen for Jewish people lists race as Hebrew.  He is buried at the Forest Lawn cemetery in LA, not next door at Mt. Sinai.  These 2 points in combination with everything else point away from a possibility of Leonard being Jewish.
Perhaps, his nephew is convinced based on some information which we are not privy to and you can share it with us.

A DNA test from one of the major companies should be able to easily clarify the situation.


Mike Vayser


Michele Lock
 

You can comb through US records to discover more about the ethnic background of the aunt Sophie, nephew Leonid, and other family members. Most of the census records for 1930 and earlier ask about the native language a person speaks, as well as the language of their parents (whether the parents immigrated to the US or not). For Eastern European Jews of that time period, the language would be Yiddish, rather than Russian or Polish, etc. On ship passenger lists, "Hebrew" was the ethnic classification for Jews (which was called 'race' at the time).

In the event that your nephew decides to go the DNA route, it's best to test the oldest descendents of the sisters Nadejda and Sophia, since those descendents will have more of their DNA. If you test at 23 and me, the Jewish DNA category is called by that company 'Ashkenazi Jewish'. On AncestryDNA, the Jewish DNA category is called 'European Jewish', and is basically equivalent to Ashkenazi Jewish.
--
Michele Lock

Lak/Lok/Liak/Lock and Kalon/Kolon in Zagare/Joniskis/Gruzdziai, Lithuania
Lak/Lok/Liak/Lock in Plunge/Telsiai in Lithuania
Rabinowitz in Papile, Lithuania and Riga, Latvia
Trisinsky/Trushinsky/Sturisky and Leybman in Dotnuva, Lithuania
Olitsky in Alytus, Suwalki, Poland/Lithuania
Gutman/Goodman in Czestochowa, Poland
Lavine/Lev/Lew in Trenton, New Jersey and Lida/Vilna gub., Belarus


Tammy Driver <110166tlj@...>
 

On all of the US records, the family is listed as Russian. I don't know why Mikhail's nephew thinks the family is/was Jewish/Hebrew. I asked, but he hasn't replied yet. Mikhail is my cousin on his mother's side. Sophia Klassovsky is his paternal grandmother.

Tammy Driver


Tammy Driver <110166tlj@...>
 

I heard back from Mikhail's nephew this morning. He's basing the theory that Sophia and/or her parents were Jewish/Hebrew on comments that his grandmother, Mikhail's mother, made when she was researching the family a number of years ago. 

Tammy Driver