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Peter Bush
 

Why is it that I haven't been able to find the names of my Grandfather or Great Aunt on passenger lists to the USA? I have checked on Ancestry all combinations of names and all records from their town. Are there lists missing?

My Grandfather was Zelman Boezowicz (also know as Solly Bush) and would have travelled to NYC early 1900s. His sister was Celia Levy originally Cyrla, She travelled earlier.

Thanks
Peter Bush <plbush1@...>


Steve Stein
 

I have a similar problem with some. A couple of possible reasons: (1) it was so illegible that it was badly mangled in the transcription (2) they came with a different or false name (3) they came through a different port or a border crossing than what you have been looking for. See if you can narrow the date down using naturalization or census data, or departure lists from Europe.

Steve Stein
Highland Park, NJ


Joel Hayflick
 

I can confirm that there are missing passengers from the photographed and digitized ship manifest database for US arrivals. My SPITKOVSKY ancestors were not present on the digitized or microfilmed manifests for US passenger arrivals. Rather they were found on the Hamburg passenger departure manifest list. This ‘aha’ moment led me to write to the Castle Garden park services team to ask if there are missing pages from the microfilmed records. I was told that the paper passenger manifest page on which my ancestors were recorded was missing from the document. Therefore it was never photographed and digitized. Remember that these documents are made of materials that were not intended to last indefinitely. I recommend searching the departure lists (available through the Ancestry website) if you haven’t done so already. Good luck!

Joel Hayflick
Palo Alto, CA USA


Joel Weintraub
 

Hi Joel.  I'm going to assume your ancestor came through Ellis Island in your post.  You might be making an assumption and depriving yourself of some passenger information on the manifest. You needed to do one more step after finding them on the Hamburg list (and the name of their ship and when they left that port and where they were going).  Did the "park service team" actually look at the manifest of that ship?  If you were told it was "missing" pages, there is another explanation for "missing" information on Ellis Island manifests...  When the ship manifests were filmed in 1943 or 1944 from Ellis Island, the Immigration Service estimated that about 5 percent of the sheets were torn or crumpled or otherwise damaged.  Most of the damage was to the lower left hand side where the pages were turned.  The lower left side would include the name column, but the rest of the line could still be intact, and have a lot more information than what the Hamburg list would show.  It is true the Hamburg list does not show you the page/line number on the U.S. manifest so you would have to search through the ship manifest pointed to by the Hamburg list.  If your ship came into the U.S. from 1906 on, the names of all the passengers and their page/line numbers can often be found on the Ship Book indexes, which will point you to a ripped nameless part of a page.  Also the WPA cards might also have passenger information including ship name, and page/line numbers for a passenger. From a small sample I've found that most manifest damage happened after WWII started when there was a rush to citizenship and pressure on the ship manifests for citizenship searches.  The WPA cards done just before the filming years often have much more information than the actual filmed manifest with their degraded pages.
Joel Weintraub
Dana Point, CA


jennifer@...
 

Hi Peter. Where in the US did your grandfather live? When was he born, roughly?

Personally, I never start by searching for a passenger list. Especially with a name as ripe for transcription errors as "Boezowicz." I start by looking for a naturalization. Because if one exists, you'll learn exactly when and where the person arrived, and, for later arrivals, under what name.

If he never naturalized, use the census as a guide to narrow down a smaller time frame for arrival. You want as many limiting factors in your search as possible. Also keep open the possibility that he may have come through another port, even if he lived in NY.
Hope that helps.


Nancy Seibert
 

Peter, 
Have you searched using the maiden name of Zelman and Cyrla's mother?
My father's paternal family arrived under the mother's maiden name.That was discovered in a US naturalization. document of one of her children. 
I've learned that, in some European countries, a Jewish religious marriage was not recognized, and a civil marriage might have been too expensive. So, at least the children would carry the mother's surname. Once in the US, they were free to take the father's. 

Nancy Seibert 


Sally Bruckheimer
 

"I start by looking for a naturalization. Because if one exists, you'll learn exactly when and where the person arrived, and, for later arrivals, under what name."
 
This is true if the immigrants arrived late, and in a port with Certificates of Arrival. If the immigrant arrived before, say 1920, nobody checked, and everybody guessed - and the name is a mystery. Maybe they remembered it was cold, so it must have been January (wrong, maybe March or November). Maybe they remembered the name of the ship and got close: I once looked for the Rhineland, and it wasn't there, the Rheinland, however, was; this is where it is good to have a list of ships arriving in some month or sounding like something.
 
On the third hand, if they naturalized really early, it says nothing about a ship, just Mr. X gives up allegiance to the King of ____.
 
And if, like my grandfather, he came early (June 1881) at some port unnamed, nobody can find any passenger list because it disintegrated or he walked across the bridge and nobody cared to make a note.
 
Sally Bruckheimer
Princeton, NJ
 


yricklevy
 

You never quite know how your family was listed in passenger lists.  It took me a long time to find my great-grandparents (Levine) passenger list record to America.  I finally located them (and their children at the time) on a boat from England to New York under the name Lewin.  Additionally, all their first names were just given as initials.  I was able to match the passenger listing because the years of birth, year of travel, and first initials all matched my great-grandparents information and their family.  Now, if only I could locate my great-aunt's (Ida Florence Levine, around 1886-1887) birth in England.  No luck yet, and I don't know what town they were living in (probably just for months or maybe a year) prior to boarding to America. 

Good luck with your passenger list searching!
Richard Levine


David Brostoff
 

On May 14, 2020, at 10:05 PM, Joel Weintraub <jweintraub@...> wrote:

You needed to do one more step after finding them on the Hamburg list (and the name of their ship and when they left that port and where they were going). . . . If your ship came into the U.S. from 1906 on, the names of all the passengers and their page/line numbers can often be found on the Ship Book indexes, which will point you to a ripped nameless part of a page. Also the WPA cards might also have passenger information including ship name, and page/line numbers for a passenger.
Are the above lists included in searches on Ancestry.com?

Otherwise, where are they available?

Thank you,

David


RICHARD HELLMAN
 

Hi Peter,
I have had that same problem but have figured out a strategy that panned out.
1. If your relatives came from Poland or the Galicia area of Austria, I have found several male relatives who came under their MOTHER's maiden name----probably to avoid military conscription or some other reason. If you know for sure that they lived in NYC, that is lucky because NY State and Federal Naturalization records should be available for them and they will tell you if the person came under one name and is also known as another. Try to find as many documents other than passenger list to look for clues.
2. Use www.stevemorse.org website to search for passenger lists. I would suggest doing a broad search (meaning the earliest and latest dates available---1892-1924 on the Gold Form) for JUST THE LAST NAME of the person. It will show you all the people with that name (with alternate spellings), with their LAST KNOW PLACE OF RESIDENCE. This is a great way to see all the first names. Perhaps they were misspelled, etc.---You may find other relatives that traveled with them or other things. I tried this and the best choice seemed to be (is Phonetically). 
3. Have you been able to find ANY records of him in NY? You may want to expand where you are looking. The LDS Church (Familysearch.org) is a useful site.


RICHARD HELLMAN
 

On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 10:23 AM, Peter Bush wrote:
Boezowicz----The spelling may be off---do a "blind" search on Ancestry.com for the last name and see what comes up. 


kosfiszer8@...
 

The strategies are many. I use Steve Morse one step gold page to search immigration records. It provides better filters, including name of the town, boat name, etc. I would start with the first 3 letter using the gold page and add on and test if any name shows up. It can also give you the microfiche records of NARA. Hope you have more info that the name only. Good luck


jennifer@...
 

OP said he believed the passenger arrived in the early 1900s. This is why I said to start by searching for a naturalization. Searching for a manifest without first searching for a naturalization in that era is not an efficient use of time. I was actually trying to answer the question at hand and be helpful to the person asking it. Had he asked for a lecture on the paucity of information in 19th century naturalizations, perhaps one would have been relevant. But I still recommend searching for them before searching manifests. Because limiting factors like addresses can give you more certainty you have the correct person. 

And certificates of arrival were required by federal law after 1906. So for someone believed to have arrived “in the early 1900s” there’s a chance some reliable information can be found.


rich.meyersburg@...
 

I have tried searching, using Steve Morse's gold form, for the town, and depending its size, one or more letters of the last name.  I haven't found my relative yet, but it may help.


rhonda.post@...
 

Sadly, the naturalization applications do not always have the full information. My husband's grandfather Aaron Foreman (later name changed to William Aaron Foreman) applied four times for naturalization and I have all copies but there is no mention of a ship name. It says UNKNOWN. He was 7 years old in April 1904 which is arrival date obtained from naturalization application. It says they traveled from Liverpool to NY. The date of arrival on the 1910 census says 1905. I know he traveled with his mother Libe Katz. She married in June 1905 to Sameul Shenker in Boston, but died before she was naturalized. I have gone page by page on ship manifests on all dates in 1904 to the first half of 1905 looking for a woman with a 7 or 8 year old boy and have not been able to find anything. 


Hilary Henkin
 

Rhonda,  don't give up hope.

On one of my grandfather's several Border Crossing Records between Toronto and New York, he specifically stated the name of the ship he immigrated with (SS Corean) and the specific arrival date in 1908.

I did the same sort of multiple checks of that manifest, and several dates around his date, with no luck.  After all, someone wouldn't make up a ship name like SS Corean, would they?

Yep, he did.  A few years later, I found his departure record out of England.  He traveled in 1906, on a completely different ship.

Hilary Henkin
Los Angeles area

Researching:
Mogilev - BERLIN;  BELIISKI;  HENKIN - GENKIN;  MESCENIKOV;  POZ - POZE
Ekaterinoslav - KATZ; LAPIDUS;  LAVROTIN - LAVRUTIN - AVRUTIN;  PESACHINSKY; SHIMERNITSKY - SEMERNITSKY;  STEINHART
Roumania:  DONNENFIELD;  DOLLINGER;  RINCOVER - HARINCOVER;  WISENTHAL - VIESENTAUL
Harbin, China:  FELDMAN;  PENZNER;  SREBERK - SCHRIEBER;
Lublin, Poland:  KATZ;  JARMUSZ


On 5/16/2020 8:20 AM, rhonda.post via groups.jewishgen.org wrote:
Sadly, the naturalization applications do not always have the full information. My husband's grandfather Aaron Foreman (later name changed to William Aaron Foreman) applied four times for naturalization and I have all copies but there is no mention of a ship name. It says UNKNOWN. He was 7 years old in April 1904 which is arrival date obtained from naturalization application. It says they traveled from Liverpool to NY. The date of arrival on the 1910 census says 1905. I know he traveled with his mother Libe Katz. She married in June 1905 to Sameul Shenker in Boston, but died before she was naturalized. I have gone page by page on ship manifests on all dates in 1904 to the first half of 1905 looking for a woman with a 7 or 8 year old boy and have not been able to find anything. 
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On 5/16/2020 12:34 PM, Hilary Henkin wrote:
Rhonda,  don't give up hope.

On one of my grandfather's several Border Crossing Records between Toronto and New York, he specifically stated the name of the ship he immigrated with (SS Corean) and the specific arrival date in 1908.

I did the same sort of multiple checks of that manifest, and several dates around his date, with no luck.  After all, someone wouldn't make up a ship name like SS Corean, would they?

Yep, he did.  A few years later, I found his departure record out of England.  He traveled in 1906, on a completely different ship.

Hilary Henkin
Los Angeles area

Researching:
Mogilev - BERLIN;  BELIISKI;  HENKIN - GENKIN;  MESCENIKOV;  POZ - POZE
Ekaterinoslav - KATZ; LAPIDUS;  LAVROTIN - LAVRUTIN - AVRUTIN;  PESACHINSKY; SHIMERNITSKY - SEMERNITSKY;  STEINHART
Roumania:  DONNENFIELD;  DOLLINGER;  RINCOVER - HARINCOVER;  WISENTHAL - VIESENTAUL
Harbin, China:  FELDMAN;  PENZNER;  SREBERK - SCHRIEBER;
Lublin, Poland:  KATZ;  JARMUSZ


On 5/16/2020 8:20 AM, rhonda.post via groups.jewishgen.org wrote:
Sadly, the naturalization applications do not always have the full information. My husband's grandfather Aaron Foreman (later name changed to William Aaron Foreman) applied four times for naturalization and I have all copies but there is no mention of a ship name. It says UNKNOWN. He was 7 years old in April 1904 which is arrival date obtained from naturalization application. It says they traveled from Liverpool to NY. The date of arrival on the 1910 census says 1905. I know he traveled with his mother Libe Katz. She married in June 1905 to Sameul Shenker in Boston, but died before she was naturalized. I have gone page by page on ship manifests on all dates in 1904 to the first half of 1905 looking for a woman with a 7 or 8 year old boy and have not been able to find anything. 


Joel Hayflick
 

Hi Joel,

My SPITKOVSKY ancestors came through Castle Garden arriving on July 6, 1882 aboard steam ship “Australia”. There is a gap in the arrivals manifest, identified by passenger numbers jumping from one page to the next, on the digitized microfilm for this ship arrival in NY and that gap led me to ask the park service to investigate further. As bad luck would have it, my ancestors were on the pages in this gap. The park service wrote back in response to my inquiry about the nature of this gap in the record and indicated that the page was either missing or in such bad shape as to be unreadable hence was not photographed.

After 15 years searching in vain on microfilm records for arrivals into the US, I uncovered a newspaper article that mentioned the year in which my ancestor arrived. As a next step, I went to the Hamburg lists which proved to be instrumental to breaking through this brick wall. After finding them on the departures list, which has much less information than on the arrivals lists, that pointed me to the ship name and departure date. Using Stephen Morse’s One Step search tool I found the arrival date and city for the vessel.

Joel Hayflick,  Palo Alto CA USA   <jhayflick@...>


Marlene Etlinger
 

My father remembered sitting around the table with his father filling out my grandfather ‘s naturalization papers. My grandfather was young when he arrived so they were trying to invent the name of the ship he came on. In this case the name of the ship on his naturalization papers was useless.


rjlichstrahl@...
 

I struggled as well to find my father on the Ellis Island passenger list as well.
Just recently, i found his application for naturalization, which listed the ship and its date of arrival.

The game changer was that it stated he arrived under a different last name.

With this information a returned to the passenger list records and behold there he was with his mother,  half sister and brother all under this other name. 
The new mystery was where did this name come from, it did not fit any name that I am aware

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