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Werner and Eisenhandler families. #poland #ukraine


Mjacobsfr@...
 

i have been trying for some time to find info on the Werner and Eisenhandler families, in particular Siegfried Sacher Werner, born in Ulanov, and Berta Bluma Eisenhandler, born in Nowe Miasto. Berta's parents, Tobias Eisenhandler and Lea Werner had five children. They were divorced in Vienna around 1920 and Lea and all the children reverted to her maiden name of Werner (although I am not sure how official this was). I would be grateful for any help you can provide.


Peter Lobbenberg
 

Hi,

I recommend www.genteam.at - excellent for Austrian genealogy.  Membership is free, although my personal experience was that it was a bit of a hassle to join.  It has some more details for Tobias which you appear not to have: 

1). He and Leah divorced in Vienna on 24 Dec 1918
2). On 3 May 1920 he married Lotti Reinisch, also in Vienna.
3). That certainly didn't last - they divorced on 15 July 1920, again in Vienna
4). Still in Vienna, he then married a third time, to Frieda Zahler in 1924.

Then, Siegfried Sacher Werner:  Ancestry has a Sacher Siegfried Werner, born 29 Dec 1898, being naturalised in the state of New York on 5 Dec 1949.  And a Sigfried [sic] Sacher Werner,  same DOB, died in Dade County, Florida on 28 July 1983, aged 85.  I'm pretty sure he is the same Sacher Werner who gained a certain fame as a driver in the New York harness racing world:
Sacher S. Werner.
Born in Austria on December 29, 1898.
Sacher Werner's harness racing career spanned over 50 years and two continents.
In his native Austria, Sacher was employed in the perfume business.
He was at the same time, as he described it, "horse crazy", lending him in 1914 to train trotters and pacers as a hobby.
Six years, and a world War later, he made his first pari-mutual track start at a raceway in Vienna.
It still was to be two more years before that first win, scored with "Arnried" at Saint Poelten Austria.
His initial start in this Country in 1945 at Roosevelt, came close to finding him watching the race from the first aid station rather than in the sulky. Paddock gate guards, not knowing him, and unable to understand him, enlisted the aid of a German speaking bystander as an interpreter, as Werner tried to enter the grounds. After a few exchanges, they rushed him to the first aid room, as the interpreter told the guards that Sacher claimed to be a driver, but must have gone crazy after losing all his money. Moments before the race, Paul Keim, assistant race secretary came to his rescue, and by the way, Sacher won the race.
Leading driver at Saratoga in 1955.
Held the world record in 1945 with "tru Single G." at 1 1/8 miles in 2:24
https://www.horseplop.com/index.php?topic=4015.15

If you have access to newspapers.com or a similar newspaper archive, there are some interesting articles about him.  Otherwise I can gladly send privately if you're interested.

Apart from Berta Bluma you don't give the names of the other siblings; and whilst Tobias and Siegfried feature on maggiej78360's tree on Ancestry (would that be you by any chance??), that tree is set to "Private" so I can't access more detail. However, the Sydney Morning Herald for 11 May 1978 (source: newspapers.com) carried an advertisement following the death of one Jakob Kurt Werner.  His executors are named as Robert Sacher Werner (aka David Sacher Werner) and Robert William Tobias, with a third executor Leah Susan Rebecca Werner in reserve.   Given the similarity of names, could it be that some of the family settled in Australia?  It's a long shot, but I thought it worth mentioning!

Best wishes
Peter Lobbenberg, London, UK
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Best wishes
Peter Lobbenberg, London, UK
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Peter Lobbenberg
 

PS - There's a detailed and affectionate biography of [Siegfried] Sacher Werner here, with good anecdotes and photos (scroll to printed page 64 / PDF page 71 of 91):
https://harnessmuseum.com/sites/default/files/pictures/DTW,%20full%20book%20w.%20covers,%201-30-09.pdf

Peter


Peter Lobbenberg
 

PS:

I found a detailed and affectionate biography of [Siegfried} Sacher Werner here, complete with good photos and lively anecdotes:
https://harnessmuseum.com/sites/default/files/pictures/DTW,%20full%20book%20w.%20covers,%201-30-09.pdf
(scroll down to printed page 64, PDF page 71 of 91)

Peter


Mjacobsfr@...
 

Thank you so much for this information. I have sent on your two replies to my husband's cousin in Australia. It is for him that I am doing this research. He remembers meeting Siegfried the horse-racer once when he came to Australia in 1964. He is the son of Blanka Werner, daughter of Berta Bluma Eisenhandler (or Werner after her mother and she and all her siblings reverted to Lea's maiden name of Werner. It is all quite complicated, not helped by the name changes! As Lea and Tobias were divorced in 1918, I assume the name change took place around that time. I have an electronic copy of the death certificate (from Sydney, Australia) of Berta and her first husband Siegfried Sacher Werner (not the horse-racer). Apart from that and a photo of Lea's gravestone, I have no official documents. The gravestone for Lea gives only her name and some Hebrew text, which I cannot read, but it may give some useful info on her parents, Chaim Werner and Marjim (Miriam?) Engelhart. I know nothing about the parents of Tobias Eisenhandler. Any help on any of the above topics would be most welcome. Please note that I will give a detailed reply to your other message when I have time to collect together all the relevant info.
Best regards, Maggie (yes the Ancestry tree maggiej78360 is mine!)


Mjacobsfr@...
 

Thank you so much for this information, Peter. I joined GenTeam a few weeks back, but didn't get very far as they said I really need to know where in Vienna the family lived. I also haven't got very far with newspapers.com, so if you are able to send any info privately I would much appreciate it. Here is the info I have on the other children of Tobias Eisenhandler and Lea Werner.
Heinrich born around 1891 in Nowe Miasto, died 10/12/1930 in Vienna. He married Else Grunbaum and they had two daughters, Gerda, born 11/9/1926 and Ruth, born 12/12/1928, both in Vienna.
Then came Berta Bluma, born 4/2/1896 in Nowe Miasto, died 19/12/1976 in Sydney, Australia.
Next was Sacher Siegfried Werner (the horse-racer), born on 29/12/1898 in Nowe Miasto, died 28/7/1983 in Hollywood, Florida. He married Martha but I have no info on her.
Moritz Robert was born on 14/5/1903 in Vienna, died 30/1/1968 in Katoomba. He married Grete Raymond (no dates known).
The last of the five children (unless there were more we don't know about) was Helene, born on 4/8/1906 in Vienna, died 19/2/2001 in Sydney. She married Richard Morley, born 3/6/1901 in Vienna, died 30/9/1960 in Sydney.
we don't know where Lea and Tobias were married. I have tried searching for Nowe Miasto (which means New Town!) but no luck so far. I think it may be useful to have a birth certificate for Lea and Tobias, as hopefully that would give their parents' names and perhaps some other details. In connection with the Werner family, who spent some time in Ulanov, I have been told that the official records are kept in Sanok, but the website I was indicated for searching their details is only in German and Polish, I think, so I am a bit stuck.
Any help you can provide would be much appreciated.
Best regards,
Maggie