When Did My Maternal Grandmother' Sister, Mildred, & her Father, Zalman, Emigrate from Poland?? #lodz #warsaw #poland


Marilyn Robinson
 

My maternal grandmother, Gittel, her mother, Rifka/Riwke, & siblings [Mary/Marie, Joseph, Morris/Moses, Roza] emigrated from Lodz to NY in  July/Aug.,1891 on the Furst  Bismarck (from Hamburg). They traveled under the family's patronym, MICHALOWICZ. Her sister, Mildred/Millie (Hebrew/Yiddish name unknown) was not in the family travel group, nor was their father, Zalman/Solomon.
Zalman/Solomon:
On the same ship, but traveling alone, there was a "Salmen MICHALOWICZ" listed as residing in "Warschau". The passenger list notes that Salmen was not traveling with household members.("Hamburg Passenger Lists, 1850-1934" on Ancestry) If this man was Gittel's father, why was he not traveling with the rest of the family?? [note: my grandmother told me that she was from Warsaw--no mention of Lodz]
Mildred:
Mildred was born in about 1880-1881 (possibly in Lodz), according to 1915 NY Census & 1900 Census. (married name GOLDBERG).
Also, according to the 1900 NY Census, Mildred arrived in the US in about 1888. I can't find any immigration record for her. Since she was about 8 y/o in 1888, I assume that she must have traveled with an adult.
What would her first name have been in Hebrew or Yiddish? Could she have traveled with another family under their last name??
Her oldest married sister, Ester TAUFIELD, lived in NY. Was Mildred sent to the US to live with Esther?
...so many questions, so few answers!
Marilyn Robinson
Florida
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Odeda Zlotnick
 

Searched for them on Family Search.
The header for the place column says: "Hailing from or place of starting".  She is listed as a "wife" (not "woman"). I'd check to see if there were other "wifes" with (presumed) husbands on other pages.
Lodz vs. Warsaw: Lodz is on the way from Warsaw to Hamburg.
Maybe "hailing from" is where the family is formally registered, based on the father's birth and Lodz their "starting place"?

 If this man was Gittel's father, why was he not traveling with the rest of the family??
The list shows the people's "Location or compartment". Rivke and children were in "D", he was in A; that does not mean he was not traveling with the rest of the family, only that he slept elsewhere on the ship.
For those two pages, there are only males in A - I would check other pages as well. Maybe it was a cheaper place, fit only for males, not women and children?
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Odeda Zlotnick
Jerusalem, Israel.


Michele Lock
 

In steerage (3rd class), passengers did not have private cabins, but stayed in large, dormitory-like rooms on the ship. Women and children were lodged in separate quarters from men, whether the latter were married or single. 

This Salomon Michalowicz on the ship was a tailor (Schneider) - was Solomon the husband of Riwke a tailor?

On the issue of where Gittel was born (Lodz or Warsaw) - I would check to see where her siblings said they were born. The naturalization papers for the brothers Joseph and Morris would have information about their birthplaces. Draft cards, especially WW II cards, often have birthplace information. For the sisters of Gittel, their husbands' naturalization papers may include information about their wives' birthplaces. 

My experience looking at the birthplaces of my forebears is that persons who came to the US as small children or babies could be mixed up about where exactly they were born, since they had no memory of the old country. That's why checking out what older siblings had to say about their own birthplaces is important.

On the Yiddish name of sister Mildred - her Yiddish/Hebrew first name will be on her gravestone, so you'll need to get a photo of it. If you don't know which cemetery she is buried in, her death certificate would have that information. FamilySearch has NYC death certificates up to 1949 online.

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Michele Lock

Lak/Lok/Liak/Lock and Kalon/Kolon in Zagare/Joniskis/Gruzdziai, Lithuania
Lak/Lok/Liak/Lock in Plunge/Telsiai in Lithuania
Rabinowitz in Papile, Lithuania and Riga, Latvia
Trisinsky/Trushinsky/Sturisky and Leybman in Dotnuva, Lithuania
Olitsky in Alytus, Suwalki, Poland/Lithuania
Gutman/Goodman in Czestochowa, Poland
Lavine/Lev/Lew in Trenton, New Jersey and Lida/Vilna gub., Belarus


Sherri Bobish
 

Hi Marilyn,

Michele suggested checking Mildred Goldberg's tombstone to see if her original first name is there, and knowing this name will help you search for her passenger manifest.  If your Mildred is the one married to Adolph, and she passed on in 1938, than she is at Mt. Hebron.
(Block 54, Ref 12, Sec J, Line 8, Grave 1)

Interment #54510

  • First Name: MILDRED
  • Last Name: GOLDBERG
  • Date of Death: 8/12/1938
  • Age: 57
  • Society: RAB MH ZABLATOWER
  • Location: Block 54, Ref 12, Sec J, Line 8, Grave 1
A photo of her tombstone is not in JOWBR, FindAGrave or JewishData.com.  Perhaps you can request a photo from Mt. Hebron, or ask on our Discussion List if anyone will be visiting Mt. Hebron and able to take a photo.

Mildred used the maiden name Levine on her 1899 NYC marriage record, and on the birth record of her son Solomon.  On her death cert her father is listed as Solomon Levine.

Perhaps she arrived under the surname Levine, and not MICHALOWICZ?

Good luck in your search,

Sherri Bobish

Searching:
RATOWSKY / CHAIMSON (Ariogala, Lith.); LEFFENFELD / FINK / KALTER (Daliowa & Jasliska, Pol.)
BOJDA / BLEIWEISS (Tarnow & Tarnobrzeg, Pol.); WALTZMAN / WALZMAN (Ustrzyki Dolne, Pol.)
LEVY (Tyrawa Woloska, Pol.); SOLON / SOLAN / SOKOLSKY (Grodek, Bialystok, Pol.)
BOBISH / BLUMENKRANZ / APPEL / WEINER / ROSENBERG (Vysoko-Litovsk, Brest, Biala Podlaska)


Diane Jacobs
 

You can try looking for her on FindAGrave
which has its own website and is also on familysearch.org

Duane Jacobs


On Sep 22, 2022, at 2:45 PM, Sherri Bobish <sherribob@...> wrote:

Hi Marilyn,

Michele suggested checking Mildred Goldberg's tombstone to see if her original first name is there, and knowing this name will help you search for her passenger manifest.  If your Mildred is the one married to Adolph, and she passed on in 1938, than she is at Mt. Hebron.
(Block 54, Ref 12, Sec J, Line 8, Grave 1)

Interment #54510

  • First Name: MILDRED
  • Last Name: GOLDBERG
  • Date of Death: 8/12/1938
  • Age: 57
  • Society: RAB MH ZABLATOWER
  • Location: Block 54, Ref 12, Sec J, Line 8, Grave 1
A photo of her tombstone is not in JOWBR, FindAGrave or JewishData.com.  Perhaps you can request a photo from Mt. Hebron, or ask on our Discussion List if anyone will be visiting Mt. Hebron and able to take a photo.

Mildred used the maiden name Levine on her 1899 NYC marriage record, and on the birth record of her son Solomon.  On her death cert her father is listed as Solomon Levine.

Perhaps she arrived under the surname Levine, and not MICHALOWICZ?

Good luck in your search,

Sherri Bobish

Searching:
RATOWSKY / CHAIMSON (Ariogala, Lith.); LEFFENFELD / FINK / KALTER (Daliowa & Jasliska, Pol.)
BOJDA / BLEIWEISS (Tarnow & Tarnobrzeg, Pol.); WALTZMAN / WALZMAN (Ustrzyki Dolne, Pol.)
LEVY (Tyrawa Woloska, Pol.); SOLON / SOLAN / SOKOLSKY (Grodek, Bialystok, Pol.)
BOBISH / BLUMENKRANZ / APPEL / WEINER / ROSENBERG (Vysoko-Litovsk, Brest, Biala Podlaska)

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Diane Jacobs, Somerset, New Jersey