Where candlesticks are from #general


Richard Sperber
 

An article by Ann Rabinowitz in this week’s JewishGen newsletter encouraged me to post the photo below of the candlesticks I inherited from my grandparents and ask if anybody can confirm that they were brought over from Europe as we’ve been told and, if so, from what region they might have come from.

 

If made in Europe, they would most likely come from either the L’wow area in Galicia, the Belarussian part of Grodno Gubernia, or the Chelm/Wlodawa region in Eastern Poland.

 

 

Thanks for your help!

 

Rich Sperber

Connecticut

 

Researching:

SPERBER, JOLLES SCHONHEIT (Western Ukraine)

ROSCH, KRELL, NEUFELD (Western, Ukraine)

SIEGEL, SEGALOWITZ, AZERNITSKY, SAPOZHNIK (Belarus)

LERER, FIDELMAN, MALAMED (Eastern Poland & Warsaw)

BERLINSKY, GOLDWEBER, BUCHBINDER (Eastern Poland)

 

 

 


Israel P
 

My mother had that same set. I think they were bought in the US in the mid-1940.

Israel Pickholtz
Ashkelon
allmyforeparents.blogspot.com
endogamy-one-family.com

My genealogy research is electric.
It follows the path of least resistance.


Hilary Henkin
 

Are there any manufacturer marks on the bottom?  Those can indicate the mfr (there are several websites which have info on mfr marks), which in turn, could answer your question.

Hilary Henkin

On 8/21/2021 3:43 PM, Richard Sperber wrote:

An article by Ann Rabinowitz in this week’s JewishGen newsletter encouraged me to post the photo below of the candlesticks I inherited from my grandparents and ask if anybody can confirm that they were brought over from Europe as we’ve been told and, if so, from what region they might have come from.

 

If made in Europe, they would most likely come from either the L’wow area in Galicia, the Belarussian part of Grodno Gubernia, or the Chelm/Wlodawa region in Eastern Poland.

 

 

Thanks for your help!

 

Rich Sperber

Connecticut

 

Researching:

SPERBER, JOLLES SCHONHEIT (Western Ukraine)

ROSCH, KRELL, NEUFELD (Western, Ukraine)

SIEGEL, SEGALOWITZ, AZERNITSKY, SAPOZHNIK (Belarus)

LERER, FIDELMAN, MALAMED (Eastern Poland & Warsaw)

BERLINSKY, GOLDWEBER, BUCHBINDER (Eastern Poland)

 

 

 



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Sharon Taylor
 

I have one candlestick that looks just like yours. Mine is only 4.5 inches tall. My great-grandmother Hudia Nemeth brought it to this country from the Stanislawow area. She arrived here in 1921. I’ve always wondered why there is just one, not two. Many explanations are possible. My great-grandmother used it on Shabbat when she stayed with my mother’s family.

I once attended a session on antiques and the expert said that candlesticks that sit on a footed platform, like yours and mine, are always made in Europe.

Sharon Taylor
Philadelphia, PA

Researching NEMETH, INGIER and BLOCH in Mariyampil, Stanislawow, and Tysmenytsya, Galicia

Researching WIESNER, FLEISIG, and KASTENBAUM in Kulikow, Lemberg, Zolkiew, Galicia, Kulykiv, Ukraine

Rappaport - Raguva, Lithuania


billie.stein@...
 

I have the same question about almost identical candlesticks that belonged to my grandmother. They are solid brass (the 4 inch base screws off) and There are no maker's or any other identifiyin marks on the candlesticks. I saw a matching pair (but only half the size) in the Polin Museum in Warsaw.
My grandmother was born in Minsk in 1884. She was the only daughter. Her mother died young, and she immigrated to the States in 1908, where she married in 1910, and died in 1922.  I can think of 4 possibilities
1 - she inherited them from her mother and brought them with her to the States. (This is the one that I want to believe...)
2 - she received them as a wedding present in the States
3 - she bought them new in the States when she married
4 - she bought them used in the States.

Whatever is the real source, they were definitely produced before 1922.

They are handed down to a female descendent, and now belong to her great granddaughter - her daughter's daughter's daughter.

I'd love to learn the early history of these candlesticks.

Billie Stein
Givatayim, Israel
Researching: 
LAMM, GLAN(T)Z: Sieniawa, Jaraslow,(Poland) Belz (Ukraine)
STEIN: Zukowice, Tarnow (Poland)
PLOTKIN: Mogilev, Rogachav, Bobruisk (Belarus)
DININ: Mogilev, Rogachav (Belarus)
RUBENSTEIN: Minsk, Bobruisk (Belarus), Yashin (Ukraine) 


Robert Hanna
 

I have one candlestick that is similar, not quite the same.  It is 7-1/2 inches tall.  I've always assumed that it was my mother's and bought in the US.  It could be that it was my grandmother's.  She was from Minsk.

Robert Hanna
NYC

Researching:
CHANAN/HANAN/HANNE/HEINE/HINEY (Warsaw, Poland); BLUMENBLAT (Sarnaki, Poland); KARASIK, THOMASHOW/TOMOSHOFF, COHEN (Babruysk, Belarus); RUBINSTEIN, BUNDEROFF, PASTILNIK, NEMOYTEN, DISKIN (Minsk, Belarus)


David Harrison
 

My mother, may her soul rest in peace, had two (different) pairs of such sticks, I think that one pair had been her mother's, she gave one of each to two different relations.
David Harrison
Birmingham, England
searching
HERSZKOWICZ and WRESCHINSKA, Poland and East Germany
VAN RIJN North Netherlands and Germany (Friesland)


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I have one candlestick that looks just like yours. Mine is only 4.5 inches tall. My great-grandmother Hudia Nemeth brought it to this country from the Stanislawow area. She arrived here in 1921. I’ve always wondered why there is just one, not two. Many explanations are possible. My great-grandmother used it on Shabbat when she stayed with my mother’s family.

I once attended a session on antiques and the expert said that candlesticks that sit on a footed platform, like yours and mine, are always made in Europe.

Sharon Taylor
Philadelphia, PA

Researching NEMETH, INGIER and BLOCH in Mariyampil, Stanislawow, and Tysmenytsya, Galicia

Researching WIESNER, FLEISIG, and KASTENBAUM in Kulikow, Lemberg, Zolkiew, Galicia, Kulykiv, Ukraine

Rappaport - Raguva, Lithuania


jbonline1111@...
 

I have similar brass candlesticks that my parents found on the curb when they were out for a walk 15-20 years ago.  No manufacturer's marks.  
--
Barbara Sloan
Conway, SC


Paula Blank
 

Mine were brought in 1914 from Lyakhovichi, Minsk, Russia.
They were separated when my GGM died - leaving each to a different daughter. 
I tracked the other one down a few years ago and they are now reunited.
I light them for shabbat and think of my GGM.
 
Paula Blank
Researching PASAMANICK/PASMANIK (Belarus), LEYT/LAIT (Nesvizh, Belarus), LUKIN/KASLIN/GOODSITE (Slutsk, Belarus), LEVIN (Belarus), LANGER/ PETERFREUND/ KEIL/ HOLLANDER (Nowy Sacz, Austria-Poland), GOLDSAND (Tarnow, Poland), PLATZER (Gorlice, Poland), ADER (Blazowa, Poland), ROTH (Niebylec and Mielec, Poland), JACOBSOHN/LOEWENSOHN/LEVINSON (Jelgava, Latvia)


Shelly Crane
 

Hello,
I have candlesticks that look almost identical . My great grandmother brought them over from Grajewo Poland (Lomza Gubernia) in 1939. Family stories date them back to late 1700s/early 1800s. Not sure if a distant relative made them (one of my great-greats was a brass makers according to documents). Given they look similar to yours, perhaps they are equally as old.

Shelly Levin
Northern California
Lomza Gubernia Poland: LANGUS, GABELMAN, MILEWICZ, LIPOWICZ DANOWSKI, FAJNTUCH
Ukraine: LEFELMAN, BLAS, KVACHINSKI,SHIFMAN, VOIDNIK


Sarah L Meyer
 

These appear identical to the ones that I inherited from my paternal grandmother.  She was born in the shtetl  of Kolonie L'vovo.  This shtetl was in Kherson Guberniya not far from Nikolaev and from the town of Kherson.   My paternal grandfather's parents came from the Odessa area - although there is some possibility that his father Josef Perchik could have been born in Lithuania.  These candlesticks are not like the silver-plate ones that I inherited from my mother's family from Warsaw.  The shape is different as well as being silver (plate) vs brass.
--
Sarah L Meyer
Georgetown TX
ANK(I)ER, BIGOS, KARMELEK, PERLSTADT, STOKFISZ, SZPIL(T)BAUM, Poland
BIRGARDOVSKY, EDELBERG, HITE (CHAIT), PERCHIK Russia (southern Ukraine) and some Latvia or Lithuania
https://www.sarahsgenies.com


Jay Sage
 

I, too, have a very similar set of candlesticks. When my mother's mother died, I took them from her house. I always assumed that they had been her mother's and had been brought from Odesa, but I have no evidence for that. They are just short of 10" high, and the base screws off. I cannot find any markings on them that might indicate a maker.
--
Jay Sage
Newton, Massachusetts


nkleitman@...
 

I have a set of three candlesticks, exactly the same as those shown, also no identifying marks on the bottom.  I was told they came from Europe (late 1890s) with my great-grandmother's generation, emigrating from Podhajce/Mikulince near Tarnapol in Galicia.  

Naomi Kleitman
Maryland

Researching: 
FRIEDMAN, GOODSTEIN (Podhajce & Mikulince, Galicia)
KLEITMAN, TEPPERMAN, BLUSTEIN (Western Ukraine)
SALWEN/SOLOWJCZYK (Lubowo, Lithuania)
KRUGER (Lomza/Ostrolenka)
RYSHPAN (Przedborz, Poland)


mpipik
 

My grandmother had the same ones too.  I still have them.  There are 2 sizes.  No watermarks.  My gm was from Warsaw and came to the US at 16 in 1902. She was going to live with her brother and his wife.  She would not have needed to carry such a heavy item on the ship as she would not need to light candles in her new home. 

I also have her brass menorah which now looks to me like a companion piece. It's Polish style--two lions.

My money is on a US purchase but made in Europe.

Jessica Schein
New York


sjgwed@...
 

My brass candlesticks are almost identical to Rick's and Jay's but the bases are flat - no little legs on the bottom. Like Rick's. they are slightly less than 10" tall, and one leans slightly, and is not perfectly straight. (Maybe it was dropped...? Hurled...? :-) There are no identifying marks anywhere. Nor do the bases screw into the top; they are all "one piece." The candlesticks belonged to my maternal grandmother, who gave them to her youngest daughter, my aunt, who eventually gave them to me. I treasure them, and use them to light my Shabbat candles.

I wish I knew how old the candlesticks are. Since my m. grandmother was a little girl when she immigrated to the US with her family in 1895, I imagine the candlesticks belonged to her mother, (born in Skalat),who came on the ship with the family at the same time. But maybe she got them from *her* mother.... I'm pretty sure the family also lived in Czernowitz, and Lemberg/Lvov even earlier.

Susan Gordon
BIALAZURKER - Zbaraz, Budapest
SCHONHAUT, LEMPERT - Skalat, Lemberg


David Harrison
 

We had some in my family, they may have come from the Netherlands, or been bought in the UK anytime from 1850 forward.  They may have a very common heritage like bicycle chains to a common half inch pitch or the pre-1950 international timber trade all using inch sizes. or as with dress fashions or the design of military forts such as those at Calais, Copenhagen, Fort George in Scotland, Theresienstadt or the one near Niagara.  Some designs are international and have been through trade for more than five thousand years within the European-Asia -Africa land mass.
David Harrison
Birmingham , England


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My grandmother had the same ones too.  I still have them.  There are 2 sizes.  No watermarks.  My gm was from Warsaw and came to the US at 16 in 1902. She was going to live with her brother and his wife.  She would not have needed to carry such a heavy item on the ship as she would not need to light candles in her new home. 

I also have her brass menorah which now looks to me like a companion piece. It's Polish style--two lions.

My money is on a US purchase but made in Europe.

Jessica Schein
New York


Victoria Fisch
 

My candlesticks are quite similar, and I know for a fact that they were brought over from Bialystok in about 1895. However, if you Google these items you'll find a Judaica website that has photos and dates for many candlesticks that look like this. Mine unscrew at the bottom, as did others, and they were cast.

Victoria Fisch
Sacramento, California


mpipik
 

I believe the conclusion from this discussion is that you can not tell where someone came from based upon the ownership of these candlesticks.  There is too much diversity in where the owners, as reported here, lived.

Jessica Schein
New York


hlevinemd@...
 

My grandmother came to the US with my mother from Ropczyce (Ropshitz), Galicia in 1917, bringing 8 almost identical candlesticks along with her. Hers also screwed onto a footed base. They have no identifying marks.

She had 11 children, with 8 reaching adulthood, and lit one candle every shabbes for each kid. There was a separate 3-branched candelabra that she also lit for the 3 children she lost. My mom continued the tradition, lighting all 11 until her death. 
--
Henry S. Levine, MD
Bellingham, WA, USA
Originally from Passaic, NJ
HLevineMD@...
Researching ISRAEL and SCHIFFMAN in Ropczyce (Ropshitz) and Lopuchova (Lupakhev), Galicia
LEVINE and LONDON in Pakuonis, (Pakon) Lithuania
LOWENSTEIN in Kaunas (Kovno), Lithuania


Sniderlh
 

I, too, was enthralled by Ann Rabinowitz's candlestick article.  I would like to know how to contact her for more information, but haven't figured out how to "find" her on JewishGen.  Any ideas; Ann, are you reading any of this?!

My cousin and I, come to find out, each inherited a pair of silver candlesticks. Our grandfathers were brothers. I was struck by how similar they are, and wondered if, perhaps, they were wedding gifts to each son/wife. The father of my cousin's and my grandfather was born in Brody, Poland (now Ukraine), as was my cousin's grandfather. My grandfather was born in, Czernowitz ( now Chernivitsi, Ukraine).  Ultimately, both families ended up in Vienna for many years, before death (for some) in the Holocaust, and life in new lands, for others.

Here are the candlesticks (we each have a pair); there are no markings I can find, either on the bottom, or elsewhere. Look familiar to anyone? They are very light weight --- hollow, but quite similar in design.


Leah Heilpern Snider
Silverdale, Washington/ USA