Whre is Oranif? #russia


jerryandbea.morse@...
 

My grandfather's naturalization papers state that my grandmother came from Oranif Russia, but what was actually Ukraine.  I have not been able to find anything about Oranif anywhere.  Does anyone have any familiarity with this shtetl or town?   
Jerome S. Morse


Alberto Guido Chester
 

Hi Jerry
I have looked up for a place named Oranif in the Jewisgen site with no matches.
Just a long shot:  Maybe she was referring to the ship boat Oranias, which was sailing Jews from present day  Ukraine to South America in the 1920 's ?
Hope this helps

Alberto Guido Chester
Buenos Aires, Argentina


Sherri Bobish
 

Jerome,

A soundex search for town Oranif in Ukraine at The Jewishgen Gazetteer
https://www.jewishgen.org/Communities/LocTown.asp
finds these possibilities:
Location
(Native names in BOLD)
Feature Type & Number Coordinates
(Click for JewishGen Resource Map)
Map Country Distance/Direction
from reference point
10 mile radius
Stantsiya Ugrynov, Ugrynuv, Uhrynów railroad station (-1057060) 48°57' N 24°43' E G Ukraine 278.8 miles WSW of Kyyiv 50°26' N 30°31' E
Uhryniv, Угринів, Ugrinov, Ugrinuv populated place (-1057056) 50°34' N 25°03' E G Ukraine 240.3 miles W of Kyyiv 50°26' N 30°31' E
Ugrinov, Uhryniv, Угринів, Ugryniv populated place (-1057055) 49°15' N 25°05' E G Ukraine 255.3 miles WSW of Kyyiv 50°26' N 30°31' E
Uhryniv, Ugrynov-Gurny, Ugrinov, Dolishniy Uhryniv, Ugryniv, Gorishnyy Ugrinov populated place (-1057054) 48°57' N 24°42' E G Ukraine 279.5 miles WSW of Kyyiv 50°26' N 30°31' E
Staryi Uhryniv, Старий Угринів, Staryy Uhryniv, Ugrynuv Stary, Ugrinov Staryy, Staryy Ugrinov, Ugrinuv Stary populated place (-1055151) 48°57' N 24°22' E G Ukraine 293.1 miles WSW of Kyyiv 50°26' N 30°31' E
Serednii Uhryniv, Середній Угринів, Sredniy Ugrinov, Ugrynuv Sredni, Ugrinov Sredniy, Seredniy Uhryniv, Ugrinuv Sredni populated place (-1054858) 48°56' N 24°21' E G Ukraine 294.4 miles WSW of Kyyiv 50°26' N 30°31' E
Uhryniv, Угринів, Dubrovka, Ugrynuv, Dubravka, Uhrynów populated place (-1038316) 50°35' N 24°07' E G Ukraine 281.6 miles W of Kyyiv 50°26' N 30°31' E
Number of matches = 7

Good luck in your search,

Sherri Bobish


Hap Ponedel
 

Jerry,

If you look closely to all these links using the capital G from Sherri's post you can see that all of these places are in present day Ukraine. But if we consider where the historical borders existed before WWI then we can separate these locatalities into Austrian Empire or Russian. All of these but two are actually fairly proximal to Ivano-Frankivsk which was called Stanislawow or Stanislau (Ivano-Frankivs'k [Ukr], Stanisławów [Pol], Stanisle [Yid], Ivano Frankovsk [Rus], Stanislau [Ger], Iwano Frankowsk, Stanislav, Stanislo, Stanislavov, Stanyslaviv, Stanislowow) and located in Austrian Galicia. The last one is also in Galicia but close to the top of the province near the Russian border, north of Sokal. If you are quite sure that your ancestor was from Russia then you would probably do best to focus on the location number 2, which I found to be in the former province of Volynia, (Imperial) Russia, not far from the Galician (Austrian-Russian) border. I can plot this on a historical map if you are interested. 

Regards,
Hap Ponedel
Eugene, OR
hapsky@...
http://easteurotopo.org/


mvayser@...
 

Is it possible that it's not Oranif, but Orativ/Oratov?  Israel's 3rd PM Levi Eshkol was born there.  In the 19th century, it was part of the Lipovets uezd, Kiev governorate, currently in the Vinnytsa oblast of Ukraine.

If you send me her last name, I can check if it was present in the 1897 census documents.  Hopefully, it's unique enough.

Mike Vayser


Ruth
 

Could it be Orinin which was is in Ukraine?  It is now spelt Orynyn and is village in Kamianets-Podilskyi Raion.  

Ruth Bloomfield
London


Alexander Sharon
 

Twisted town's name. It should read Romaniv (ex-Romanov).

Alexander Sharon


jennifer@...
 


At present you have a single data point: grandpa's naturalization papers state that grandma came from "Oranif" which you believe to be somewhere in modern-day Ukraine.
Rather than try to use that single data point to arrive at a conclusion, you might try searching for additional data points that might give you a preponderance of evidence pointing to the correct town. 
Some questions you might ask:
1. Did grandma and grandpa marry in Europe or in America? Because if it's the former, we might assume that the town is somewhere close to where grandpa came from, which might help zero in on the correct one.
2. Did grandma naturalize through grandpa (pre 1922) or on her own? If it's the latter, what do her papers say, and do they list her actual arrival? Because her manifest might have further context clues about a gubernia, another spelling, etc. If she never naturalized and was alive in 1940, you can find her AR2.
3. If grandma only naturalized through her husband, did she have a brother or sister? What do their naturalizations say? If it's a sister who naturalized through her husband, what do the husband's papers say? Does the brother have a WWI or WWII draft registration?
4. Did grandma have a SSN? If so, see if you can order her SS5 to see if it lists a place of birth.

The more additional context clues you can dig out, the more likely you are to arrive at the correct answer.
--
Jennifer Mendelsohn
Baltimore, Maryland
https://www.apgen.org/profiles/jennifer-mendelsohn


Renee Steinig
 

Jerry,

I'm hoping that this is your tree on Ancestry
and that Dora Swartz Weiss is the grandmother you asked about.

These were the reported birth places of three of her siblings:

      Peter Schwartz - Odessa (sources: his Declaration of Intention [1941] and his WW2 draft registration)
      Phillip Swartz - Odessa (source: his Petition for Naturalization [1943])
      Samuel Swartz - "Conshan" (source: his wife May, on her Declaration of Intention [1941])

And this was the reported place of birth of a half sibling:

      Joseph William Swartz - Ananoff (source: his Petition for Naturalization [1921]) or Annanev (source: his WW2 draft registration)

Perhaps "Oranif," reported by Dora's husband on his Petition, was a misspelling of Ananoff/Annavev, the town mentioned on Joseph's records. It's now Ananiv or Ananyiv, Ukraine. Anan(y)iv is about 100 miles from Odessa -- so much closer than other towns that have been mentioned as possibilities.

Anan(y)iv was in Kherson Gubernia -- maybe misspelled as "Conshan" on May's record.

Renee

Renee Stern Steinig
Dix Hills (Long Island) NY
genmaven@...


On Fri, Nov 11, 2022 at 12:45 AM <jerryandbea.morse@...> wrote:

My grandfather's naturalization papers state that my grandmother came from Oranif Russia, but what was actually Ukraine.  I have not been able to find anything about Oranif anywhere.  Does anyone have any familiarity with this shtetl or town?   
Jerome S. Morse