Would a later born child have the same name as an earlier deceased child? #names


George
 

Hello, I found the for the birth of Salomen Zalman Fisch in 1882 to my great-grandparents Avigdor Fisch and Reizl Rudner.   However, in 1895 there is another record for the birth of Salomen Zalman Fisch to the same parents.  I do know that the second Salomen Fisch survived until the Shoah.   Would parents name a second child the same name if the first child died perhaps shortly after birth? 

George Frankel,

Researching Fisz, Fisch, Fish, Rudner, from Dabrowa Tarnowska, Tarnow, Biskupice, Radgoszcz, Brzostek Poland


Israel Guttman
 

Although not so common, but the practice existed.
Israel Guttman


Martyn Woolf
 

This was a normal practice in the Jewish community of the UK in the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries. If a child was born and died, a later child would be named the same. I have several examples in my own family. There are even cases when more than one child died, a third child would still be given the same name/s.

Martyn Woolf
London, NW3


stephen@...
 

In Hungary it was very common, I have lots of examples of this, even came across one yesterday. Once I even found one family where 3 girls had the same name before one survived.
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Stephen Schmideg
Melbourne, Australia
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Judith Elam
 

Yes it happened.  My Prussian ggg-grandparents from Elbing had 16 children.  One son, called Max Moritz Weinberg, died age 6 months in 1840.  The second son after this one was called Meyer Wulff, but known as Max.  The 3rd son born after Meyer Wulff was called Moritz.

Judith Elam
Kihei, HI


Jill Whitehead
 

I have examples of this in my Edinburgh Brown family. My great grandparents' two eldest sons Julius and George died as infants in the 1870's. They then had twin girls whom they named Julia and Georgina (the latter also died young). My great grandparents were first cousins who had arrived from Vishtinetz in Suwalki Gubernia in NE Poland in 1870, and married in Edinburgh. The two sons were named after the fathers of each parent (who were brothers) Jacob and Gershon Joseph Brown (Brin).

Jill Whitehead, Surrey, UK


ireneplotzker@...
 

Yes, my great-uncle, who was born in London, and my great-aunt lost a baby in 1918 and gave the same name to their second child a few years later.
Irene Plotzker 
Wilmington, DE


Chana Bonn
 

I noticed that all the responses are in the past tense.  This is probably still practiced.  I have an acquaintance who is named for his older brother who died in the holocaust.  

Chana Bonn, Philadelphia


Phil Karlin
 

My grandfather was named after his brother.
Shimen Mendel b. 1896 d. 1897 in Lithuania. Simon Manuel b. 1898 in New Haven.
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Phil Karlin
Hartford, CT USA


Dr. Ruth Leiserowitz
 

The practice of naming later-born siblings after deceased older siblings are
something I have also encountered many times with Litvaks.
Ruth Leiserowitz, Warsaw / Berlin 


peggyfreedman@...
 

I found these responses very interesting, I have seen hints of this but not as much confirmation as you all have supplied.

I am curious if it is more common in second marriages or if your examples are from the same two birth parents.

Thanks!

Peggy Mosinger Freedman
Atlanta, GA 


Julia Trainor
 

My mother was born in Czechoslovakia in 1921.   She was given the name of her deceased older sister who had been born and died the previous year.

Julia Trainor
Canberra, Australia
Researching in the Austrian Czech lands:  Auspitzer, Deutsch, Fessler, Gottlieb, Glesinger, Schmidl, Weingarten


deborah.shindell@...
 

ALL THE TIME!!!!!

With one family, they kept giving the same name to their kids who kept dying. They did it for 5 kids. I said to myself "Give it up already, this name is jinxed".
I have seen it over and over again, with all countries...Poland, Netherlands.
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Deborah Shindell
Trumbull, CT
deborah.shindell@...
researching: Beserglik, Lederhendler, Goldberg (all in Poland) and Szmukler (Ukraine)


ab12cohen@...
 

It was even common amongst non-Jewish communities. Vincent Van Gogh was named after a sibling who died before he was born. He had to walk to school every day past the grave bearing his own name - not surprising his emotional state was so poor.

Alan Cohen
London HA6 2Yj


Jill Whitehead
 

I cannot match the example of five times for giving subsequent children the same name, but again using my Edinburgh Browns, there were three Rachel Leahs in a row. This seemed to be more likely in first cousin and double first cousin marriages, where it does appear that children were less likely to survive in their early years. 

Jill Whitehead, Surrey, UK


Martyn Woolf
 

Not second marriages; just a child born after an earlier sibling had died.  Perhaps named after a grand-parent whose name the parents wanted to preserve in the family.

 

Martyn Woolf

London

 

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anthony.rabin@...
 

The standard Litvak custom (minhag) was, if one wanted to carry on with the same name, to call the subsequent child the same name as the first child, but as a second  name, or second name in a hyphenated name. So, in my family's case, the grandfather Gdalya died in 1893. The next male offspring to be born was in 1896 and was called Gdalya, in memory of his father's now deceased father. Sadly, the child passed away withing a few months. My grandfather was born next, in 1897, and was called Elyahu Gdalya, remembering both his grandfather and deceased brother, but not in his case as a first name. The custom seems to have arisen out of a more general belief that naming children after relatives who died young invited the same fate.

Anthony Rabin
London, UK


rsd381@...
 

My uncle Arthur Isaac Stern died when his ship was sunk by a Nazi torpedo in the Mediterranean. My cousin Arthur was born after my Uncle's ship was sunk while he was declared MIA. My cousin was named after his great grandfathers just as my Uncle was named. After my Uncle was declared to have died in action two subsequent children were named for him by other siblings of my Uncle. My grandparents were from Romania and the Ukraine.

Robert Daniels
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